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Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:26 pm to DirtyMike
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I agree but to me a 26 is on the high side. I have a dog in the fight as I have a high school senior but he's above that so the 26 doesn't affect him. I know kids who are taking dual enrollment classes and have a 4.0 through ULL while they also have a 4.0 or close to it in my sons class ... yet they didn't make a 26 on the ACT. I just think a 26 is a bit high.
A 4.0 GPA in High School literally means nothing about intelligence. It's not hard to get a 4.0.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:26 pm to upgrayedd
Lol. I have known him for 45 years. It was because he was so thin he looked like a blade of grass or a thin knife blade.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:27 pm to DirtyMike
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do feel safe with all of those non violent drug offenders behind bars
Now that's a whole different subject. Laws need to be changed that can also lessen the amount needed for prisons but until done the laws are to be enforced.
On this issue though again it is not govt responsibility to send students to college. The incentive based Tops needs restructure period.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:29 pm to tiger91
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And I just can't be convinced that a student with a 24 won't do well in college.
That may be the case, but it doesn't mean a 24 is acceptable for a merit based scholarship.
That is the point of TOPS - regardless of how it was first started, it has become a merit based scholarship program for LA high school seniors. A 28 puts you in the 90th percentile, so even if they had to raise it to 28, you're still going to have a hard time finding a state program that is as generous to the Top 10% of ACT scores.
Texas gives admission to the Top 10% if I'm not mistaken, but a scholarship program like TOPS is pretty rare. If your argument against the higher score thresholds is that most kids won't qualify, then perhaps you don't understand what a scholarship is.
Not calling you out specifically tiger91, just chose your post for my reply.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:30 pm to DirtyMike
What about students who are on TOPS Tech Programs at Technical Colleges.. I have a daughter who has Autism that scored the minimum ACT needed to attend a technical college. Because of her disability she was able to achieve a 20 on her ACT and is doing well at North Shore Technical college in Bogalusa.
because of her Autism a 20 on the ACT was extremely hard for her to achieve. She is almost through her first year of college.
because of her Autism a 20 on the ACT was extremely hard for her to achieve. She is almost through her first year of college.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:30 pm to slackster
TBH, they needed to add a stipulation to keep kids in the state or make them pay back the award if they leave the state after college for another job. Te problem is the talent we do have gets swept up by other states.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:31 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:34 pm to TigerRob20
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they needed to add a stipulation to keep kids in the state or make them pay back the award if they leave the state after college for another job
Completely agree. If you receive TOPS, you should have to stay in state to work for a few years or pay back at least a portion of the amount paid. Especially now if we are only to give the true "best/brightest" the money, they better stick around and contribute for a while.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:34 pm to Split2874
quote:he only taking general classes with that 4.0 grading scale?
he has a 23/24 right now and 4.0 in High School graduating with honors.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:37 pm to slackster
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hat may be the case, but it doesn't mean a 24 is acceptable for a merit based scholarship
I agree with your whole post.
TOPS shouldn't be judged on if your score is high enough that you should be able to do good in college.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:38 pm to TigerRob20
quote:Or, instead of forcing kids to stay in LA after graduation, they could work on actually bringing companies into the state and creating jobs graduates are looking for. It's not the students fault they met requirements for TOPS and had a better job offer in another state.
TBH, they needed to add a stipulation to keep kids in the state or make them pay back the award if they leave the state after college for another job. Te problem is the talent we do have gets swept up by other states.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:42 pm to Nation of Buga
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Or, instead of forcing kids to stay in LA after graduation, they could work on actually bringing companies into the state and creating jobs graduates are looking for. It's not the students fault they met requirements for TOPS and had a better job offer in another state.
If that is the case, they should just be required to make payments back towards the loan. I agree LA needs to do a better job of getting companies back in the state but JBE isn't going to help there. If they are truly trying to cut cost and make the program more prosperous for LA, then I am fine with that.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:43 pm to stevengtiger
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Especially now if we are only to give the true "best/brightest" the money, they better stick around and contribute for a while.
I think people are misinterpreting this bill.
The way the original law was worded, if TOPS funding fell short the students' ACT score would determine if they received TOPS, at the current shortfall the TOPS score required would be 26.
This new bill that just passed the senate would amend that law and cut a percentage of TOPS funding from all students who currently receive the TOPS award. Basically, it would cut all TOPS awards by 67%.
It's a bullshite bill that will hurt high achievers to spare low achievers.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:44 pm to tiger91
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:45 pm to Epic Cajun
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It's a bullshite bill that will hurt high achievers to spare low achievers
Hmm sounds like business as usually for the govt
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:46 pm to Nation of Buga
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Or, instead of forcing kids to stay in LA after graduation, they could work on actually bringing companies into the state and creating jobs graduates are looking for. It's not the students fault they met requirements for TOPS and had a better job offer in another state.
I agree. If the goal is keeping the "best and brightest" in state, TOPS is kind of putting the cart before the horse.
Now if the goal is simply trying to educate as many of the state's residents as possible while giving middle class taxpayers a little of their money back for a change, just make the requirements strong enough to make the program financially viable.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:47 pm to Nation of Buga
The payback idea will never happen, mostly because we all know TOPS is really a benefit for the parents first and foremost, and frankly it is being paid for by them as well, so I don't believe you'll see any changes.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:47 pm to Nation of Buga
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Or, instead of forcing kids to stay in LA after graduation, they could work on actually bringing companies into the state and creating jobs graduates are looking for. It's not the students fault they met requirements for TOPS and had a better job offer in another state.
The state is attempting to do this, but it is hard for companies to come here when all the kids want to move where they can get a good job in a nice area.
I think it just makes sense from an investment standpoint. The state pays for the education, they should at least get some sort of ROI on the education they just paid for. If the Fortune 500 companies still weren't setting up at least small offices here, it would give new grads a chance to start their own companies or invest in themselves. Additionally, the state isn't on the hook for more incentives to lure the IBMs of the world to BTR by building them a $50 million building.
This post was edited on 4/20/16 at 3:48 pm
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:49 pm to TigerRob20
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TBH, they needed to add a stipulation to keep kids in the state or make them pay back the award if they leave the state after college for another job. Te problem is the talent we do have gets swept up by other states.
this was the original intent of TOPS, to keep the best and brightest in state. Then it evolved to educating the whole population, which isnt affordable or practical. Should be like the military. we pay for 4 years, you stay here for 4 years, or pay the money back.
Posted on 4/20/16 at 3:53 pm to tiger91
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I agree but to me a 26 is on the high side. I have a dog in the fight as I have a high school senior but he's above that so the 26 doesn't affect him. I know kids who are taking dual enrollment classes and have a 4.0 through ULL while they also have a 4.0 or close to it in my sons class ... yet they didn't make a 26 on the ACT. I just think a 26 is a bit high.
Totally agree with this statement. I have a college freshman, who graduated with honors on stage with a 3.8 GPA,and only made a 22 on the ACT. As a college freshman, he has a 3.78 GPA right now & is doing well in college. Some kids just doesn't test well on standardized testing. Their high school GPA should have some influence on their TOPS award.
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