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re: Second Wave of Virus on Japanese Island
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:14 pm to DomincDecoco
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:14 pm to DomincDecoco
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Not arguing for keeping things closed, just that we should probably be VERY cautious and proceed slowly.
frick you and your desire for full government control.
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Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:16 pm to fargobison
Testing is important for contact tracing and for finding asymptomatic patients who could be spreading the disease.
The countries that have handled this the best have tested and tested and tested.
The countries that have handled this the best have tested and tested and tested.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:20 pm to YouAre8Up
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frick you and your desire for full government control.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:26 pm to YouAre8Up
If we had comprehensive testing/tracing in place I would be for opening up chunks of the country right now, really there would be no reason not to. Sadly we don't so we are going to need to be cautious or everything we have done could be for nothing.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:28 pm to DomincDecoco
Opening up the country will result in more infections. There is absolutely no doubt about it.
We cannot be surprised by this revelation.
We cannot be surprised by this revelation.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:32 pm to DomincDecoco
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:40 pm to DomincDecoco
quote:
Not arguing for keeping things closed, just that we should probably be VERY cautious and proceed slowly.
in order to be open at some point, we must open at no point!
frick YOU.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 3:45 pm to DomincDecoco
We know the risks. Let us get back to it.
If some fat frick with diabetes wants to go out in crowded places, that's on them. Stop fricking with the rest of us to protect the idiots that don't take care of themselves to begin with.
If some fat frick with diabetes wants to go out in crowded places, that's on them. Stop fricking with the rest of us to protect the idiots that don't take care of themselves to begin with.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:11 pm to Chad504boy
quote:
in order to be open at some point, we must open at no point!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:17 pm to heatom2
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The countries that have handled this the best have tested and tested and tested.
The countries that handled this the best were countries like South Korea and Japan. It's not because they tested, it's because they had infrastructure in place ready for a pandemic.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:19 pm to dgnx6
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We know the risks. Let us get back to it.
If some fat frick with diabetes wants to go out in crowded places, that's on them. Stop fricking with the rest of us to protect the idiots that don't take care of themselves to begin with.
Yes indeed, the economy won't have any reaction if everyone who's fat, has diabetes, or hypertension has a risk of being hospitalized. The show must go on!
Posted on 4/14/20 at 4:21 pm to DomincDecoco
What the frick wrote that garbage? An egg?
Posted on 4/14/20 at 5:04 pm to fargobison
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we had comprehensive testing/tracing in place I would be for opening up chunks of the country right now, really there would be no reason not to. Sadly we don't so we are going to need to be cautious or everything we have done could be for nothing.
This theory that if we had great testing in place we could open the country up is a load of crap.
Testing for this thing really is not highly effective.
Most people who get it are not symptomatic. So they don't know they have it, they can give it to people.
People who become symptomatic could've had it without symptoms for a week. How are you going to trace their contacts? Go back a week. When they went to grocery store you going to isolate anyone in the store at that time? No one will remember if they passed by some random a week later.
Social distancing helps. Wearing masks limits spray and decreases infectiousness of people. Keeping symptomatic people who are likely more infectious home helps.
But testing? Seriously, if you have a fever, stay the frick home. There is your test. A freaking thermometer. You need to get the test why? If you have a fever, stay home anyway.
No, I need to know because. Because why? By the time you develop symptoms you have had the opportunity to infect countless people anyway.
Testing will have little practical effect outside of treatment. And treatment only matters in older people who are symptomatic who may get some kind of treatment.
They get tested. If you are thirty and in good shape, self isolate.
I wish the testing people would get a grip. Think about how this virus spreads and what testing tells you. By the time you get tested you really kinda know you have likely have it.
It's the other things these countries are doing that helps.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 6:16 pm to RollTide1987
quote:Two words that are very dangerous until it is proven.
herd immunity
Until then, assume you have to stay pretty vigilant with your sanitation, avoiding the sick and taking your Vitamins.
Plus taking chagga mushrooom.
Stay well, peeps.
Posted on 4/14/20 at 7:48 pm to thetempleowl
TempleOwl gets it. We all understand that if there was a test available to definitively say yes/no who is infected it would be hugely helpful to letting us end the lockdown and get back to normal.
The reality of the situation is that we are not going to have any sort of reliable/economical/widely available test any time in the near future. At some point we are going to pull our heads out of the sand and decide that the cost/benefit analysis no longer supports locking down the population.
We all understand the benefit of what we've done to "flatten the curve" and prevent the health system from breaking down. But as soon as we can be reasonably sure that the numbers are manageable, we need to let that area get back to normal. the NY/NJ area probably needs to stay locked down a lot longer than Kansas/Montana/Iowa, etc.
Are people still going to get sick and die from this. Yes. Much like any other infectious/communicable disease. Older/sicker/vulnerable people definitely need to be on guard and continue to take precautions. Younger/healthier folks probably still need to social distance when able, wipe stuff down, wear masks more often.
The true numbers probably won't be available for years or a decade, but I will be surprised if the total mortality rate for 2020 greatly exceeds that of 2018 or 2019.
The reality of the situation is that we are not going to have any sort of reliable/economical/widely available test any time in the near future. At some point we are going to pull our heads out of the sand and decide that the cost/benefit analysis no longer supports locking down the population.
We all understand the benefit of what we've done to "flatten the curve" and prevent the health system from breaking down. But as soon as we can be reasonably sure that the numbers are manageable, we need to let that area get back to normal. the NY/NJ area probably needs to stay locked down a lot longer than Kansas/Montana/Iowa, etc.
Are people still going to get sick and die from this. Yes. Much like any other infectious/communicable disease. Older/sicker/vulnerable people definitely need to be on guard and continue to take precautions. Younger/healthier folks probably still need to social distance when able, wipe stuff down, wear masks more often.
The true numbers probably won't be available for years or a decade, but I will be surprised if the total mortality rate for 2020 greatly exceeds that of 2018 or 2019.
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