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Scifi fans, do you look down Star Wars and do you consider it to be scifi?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:45 am
To me it's fantasy with space ships. Google defines scifi as
So yeah Star Wars fits that, but I hate how it's held up as the definitive example people use to describe science fiction. I prefer hard scifi where everything has to be plausible, if they travel at fantastic speeds through space it has to be defined by processes that theoretically could happen. So no magical force, that to me kicks Star Wars into the fantasy camp of which I'm not a fan.
And everybody likes their own thing and I get that, it just drives me crazy that peoples concept of scifi is defined in large part by Star Wars.
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sci·ence fic·tion
/'si?ns '?fikSH?n/
noun
fiction based on imagined future scientific or technological advances and major social or environmental changes, frequently portraying space or time travel and life on other planets.
So yeah Star Wars fits that, but I hate how it's held up as the definitive example people use to describe science fiction. I prefer hard scifi where everything has to be plausible, if they travel at fantastic speeds through space it has to be defined by processes that theoretically could happen. So no magical force, that to me kicks Star Wars into the fantasy camp of which I'm not a fan.
And everybody likes their own thing and I get that, it just drives me crazy that peoples concept of scifi is defined in large part by Star Wars.
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:46 am to DavidTheGnome
first down vote
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:46 am to DavidTheGnome
NERD
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:47 am to DavidTheGnome
Blade Runner is supposedly the definitive Sci Fi movie. It's based in 2019.
We barley started fricking robots.
We barley started fricking robots.
This post was edited on 11/12/19 at 10:49 am
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:49 am to DavidTheGnome
You really don’t have much to do on a daily basis, do you?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:51 am to DavidTheGnome
Star Wars is wizards and magic and swords in space. It is Fantasy.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:54 am to DavidTheGnome
Battlestar Galactica is scifi. Star Wars is space opera.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:54 am to DavidTheGnome
Had a fun elective I took my senior year that was a literature course on Sci-fi and fantasy. The professor put Star Wars in front of us and had us try to define it. It is the prime example of being both. The force is in essence magic and when Lucas tried to put some science into with the midichlorians the fanbase hated it.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:56 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Star Wars is wizards and magic and swords in space. It is Fantasy.
Can't it be both?
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:58 am to chryso
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Battlestar Galactica is scifi. Star Wars is space opera.
Space opera can definitely still be scifi also, there's nothing mutually exclusive between the two.
I just hate how Star Wars is held up as the defining example of a genre that it barely fits in. The media perpetuates this for sure because of lack of understanding, laziness, and the desire for clicks. But I agree with the poster above that it's just wizards and sorcery in space, which is just futuristic fantasy.
Honestly most barely understand that there's a difference between fantasy and scifi in the first place though.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 10:59 am to DavidTheGnome
It’s crazy to me how far the Star Wars franchise has
Fallen. As a kid in the 90’s it was untouchable. Now, Star Trek has it beat across the board.
Fallen. As a kid in the 90’s it was untouchable. Now, Star Trek has it beat across the board.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:00 am to Jor Jor The Dinosaur
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Star Wars is wizards and magic and swords in space. It is Fantasy.
Wrong. Star Wars is basically an old Western set in space. That was George Lucas' original plan for it.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:02 am to DavidTheGnome
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I prefer hard scifi where everything has to be plausible,
Exactly.
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Warp factor
Calculated speed (*c)
Distance traveled in 24 hours (*light years)Travel time from Earth to Alpha Centauri
0.50.0990.000343.64 years110.0034.33 years210.0790.028156.91 days338.9410.10740.61 days4101.5940.27815.57 days5213.7470.5857.4 days6392.4981.0754.03 days7656.1351.7962.41 days810242.80437.07 hours91516.3814.15225.03 hours
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Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:03 am to tiger114
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Star Wars is basically an old Western set in space. That was George Lucas' original plan for it.
And Roddenberry's vision for Star Trek was "Wagon Train" set in space.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:07 am to DavidTheGnome
I don't look down on Star Wars, Empire or Return of the Jedi.
You're correct it is Space Opera/Space Fantasy with no real exploration of classic science fiction themes (which pre-2009 Star Trek did very well).
2001 kind of threaded the needle between the two fairly well. Average film/TV fans typically don't get hard science fiction - things like the Trek series, Babylon 5, more recently The Expanse, so a "fantasy" set in space does better commercially, at least generally.
You're correct it is Space Opera/Space Fantasy with no real exploration of classic science fiction themes (which pre-2009 Star Trek did very well).
2001 kind of threaded the needle between the two fairly well. Average film/TV fans typically don't get hard science fiction - things like the Trek series, Babylon 5, more recently The Expanse, so a "fantasy" set in space does better commercially, at least generally.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:09 am to DavidTheGnome
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So no magical force
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:09 am to DavidTheGnome
Disney killed Star Wars.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:13 am to DavidTheGnome
There is a sliding scale of a sci-fi. SW just tends to be on the “soft” end of the scale while something like 2001 ends up on the “hard” end.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:15 am to DavidTheGnome
Shouldnt this be on the nerd board, whereever that is.
Posted on 11/12/19 at 11:18 am to SoulGlo
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Disney killed Star Wars.
I was a die hard fan growing up. I literally could not care any less about it at this point. It's like they got together and came up with a list of things guaranteed to implode the franchise and piss everybody off, and then said, "yeah let's roll with that."
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