re: Scenario: If you were dating a girl for <1 year, got her pregnant- Would you marry?

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But based on your antiquated logic

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But that's not what I said, and you know it. If two people intentionally engage and a woman ends up pregnant, then yes, they are absolutely family by literal definition.

The donor response was because I said it requires a man to make a baby. Also not debatable.

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What would have been worse for the child….growing up with a single parent but other parent involved in the child’s life.

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Growing up with parents who had no business being married to one another who end up putting child through trauma of divorce??

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Commonly presented scenario, and sure, if it's like this, then fine.

But the reality is that the choices made can dictate some of this. You elect not to marry a girl you knocked up. She's hanging around your hometown, you're off to college or the military or whatever. There's a good chance she's going to make some bad choices, being a young single mom with minimal prospects for forging her own life path. Her choices are going to alienate you and create conflict. You're going to pull back and fight her on things. The idea of successful co-parenting is out the window.

I'm not saying that's the most likely scenario but its an extremely common one in the Southeast.

Whereas, and I know this won't be popular, but people can elevate other people. Especially if this happens when they're young and they're decent people to start with. Marrying a girl at 20 that you knocked up means you're likely going to be the single biggest influence on her life. I admit that's really dicey, but it's likely true and if there is an maturity imbalance (which might be a common scenario for a guy knocking up a girl and thinking hard about whether to marry a girl he's not sure about) - it's potentially a game changer.

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Maybe eventually but not just because she got pregnant. This isn't the 1950's anymore.

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"this isn't the 1950s" is kind of a played commentary, especially with all the data we have about children of unmarried kids

the data are clear: children of unmarried couples face a decreased chance of having success and severely increased chances of having psychological pathologies

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don’t bone a woman you don’t plan on marrying

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But those are the most fun.

Getting someone pregnant and not marrying her is trashy AF.

You can be an active and engaged dad without being married.

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Okay, but would you say we are more or less functional as a society than we were in the 1950's?

We're you drinking out of the whites or colored water fountain in the 1950s?

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Segregation sucked, but the black family was intact. Progressivism and the War on Poverty DESTROYED the black family. You can see the outcomes in the FBI crime stats.

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Ok, but girls also have every avenue possible to prevent this from happening (birth control, plan b, early abortion is pretty much taking a pill).

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Wrap it up or don't frick her.

I always get a chuckle when some dumbass guy starts that victim bullshite. "She got pregnant on purpose" or "she knew I didn't want kids."

We hate the victim mentality, but somehow men are the victim when they knock up random girls they have no intention of marrying. It makes no sense.

The one thing that would transform our society overnight would be if men would stop being POS when it comes to "dating" and take leading families seriously.

You don't marry because you knock up some chick. That is how you end up with a ton of divorces.