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re: Sayonara St. George...
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:59 pm to Roscoe
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:59 pm to Roscoe
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To me, this is the bigger issue. If they spent more time trying to address the school issue than they do trying to defeat the SG break-away, then th SG movement would go away.
There is no fix for this. It's a societal problem. Nut up & send your kids to private schools like everybody else does or move your arse to Ascension or Livingston and deal with all those infrastructure headaches like no city sewage and overwhelmed roads for the next 20 years. Baton Rouge is not going to pay for decades to build all that infrastructure for you then let you "pack up and leave" when you start to reap the benefits of it. That's bullshite and it ain't going to happen.
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
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you believe that those of good culture should be forced to remain. that's sadistic and downright evil
That's not what I said. What I said and alluded to was simply the fact that if you value it you will stand and fight, or you will no longer have it. Use it or lose it.
I also said that the residual mentality left over from the boomers has got to go if we are to right this ship, and the mentality that you can run from your problems is downright idiotic long term, especially for people's children who will be left contending with those effects.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 1:59 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:That is the point he keeps avoiding.
you believe that those of good culture should be forced to remain. that's sadistic and downright evil
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:01 pm to Mike da Tigah
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What I said and alluded to was simply the fact that if you value it you will stand and fight, or you will no longer have it. Use it or lose it.
or sell it before it becomes too big of a loss and move to a better opportunity. there is nothing wrong with this
don't blame the people making the rational decisions for the problems when it's the others who are the problems (in this manner and the overall problem). don't blame the victims when they are doing everything pretty much correctly and rationally
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and the mentality that you can run from your problems is downright idiotic long term,
what do you suggest, then? genocide?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:05 pm to urinetrouble
quote:I don't understand why the absolute truth and logic of your statement continues to elude the SG promoters.
However, it seems like the St. George supporters pin all the blame on present-day local officials, when it was a mandate by a federal judge.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:09 pm to SlowFlowPro
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or sell it before it becomes too big of a loss and move to a better opportunity. there is nothing wrong with this
don't blame the people making the rational decisions for the problems when it's the others who are the problems (in this manner and the overall problem). don't blame the victims when they are doing everything pretty much correctly and rationally
That supports the notion back then when people saw a black family move in the neighborhood.
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what do you suggest, then? genocide?
I suggest people come to grips with the fact that they live in a very mixed state and city, especially region, or move out of state. I suggest that the goal is not to have white and back areas of the city, but to segregate trashy people from good people both white and black who work for a living and share the exact same desires for their children., and you do this simply by INVESTMENT in areas of the city, not expecting magic to take place and keep it nice and desirable long term. I suggest people either face this, or leave the state entirely, because you will never have anything that let's future generation see as evidence that you were even here because that's how you live, you build, and move.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:13 pm to Mike da Tigah
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That supports the notion back then when people saw a black family move in the neighborhood.
this isn't the 70s and BR is a majority black city now
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and you do this simply by INVESTMENT in areas of the city, not expecting magic to take place and keep it nice and desirable long term. I suggest people either face this, or leave the state entirely, because you will never have anything that let's future generation see as evidence that you were even here because that's how you live, you build, and move.
you're leaving out "moving back"
but even gentrification is racist now
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:13 pm to Scruffy
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That is the point he keeps avoiding.
I would, because if you can read you'd know it's an utter misrepresentation of what he said. He said people should fight for and value their local communities instead of running away. He's right too. You don't want the center of your metropolitan area overrun by undesirables. New Orleans has been willing to do it, and it's been a boon to the city and region. You run and they follow and you get the inefficiency of suburban sprawl and have to keep running farther and farther away.
Am I saying it's easy to do or that the people running are being unreasonable? No. It's a tough fight but one that is good for the region.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:14 pm to LSURussian
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However, it seems like the St. George supporters pin all the blame on present-day local officials, when it was a mandate by a federal judge.
I don't understand why the absolute truth and logic of your statement continues to elude the SG promoters
Because the present day local officials continue to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. The entire St George movement is a direct result of that.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:14 pm to SlowFlowPro
Staying and fighting isn't enough. That won't matter if most of your neighborhood sold out and left.....you will be penalized financially for sticking around alone.
From the perspective of a middle class person in those days, you have to consider the school situation and the possibility of losing your shirt. That's a huge risk that a lot of people can't afford especially in conjunction with private school tuition.
From the perspective of a middle class person in those days, you have to consider the school situation and the possibility of losing your shirt. That's a huge risk that a lot of people can't afford especially in conjunction with private school tuition.
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Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:15 pm to elprez00
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Because the present day local officials continue to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. The entire St George movement is a direct result of that.
What status-quo are they maintaining?
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:15 pm to Duke
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New Orleans has been willing to do it, and it's been a boon to the city and region.
new orleans had katrina, which flushed out hundreds of thousands of undesirables of shite culture AND created an influx of federal money
Nola is also a terrible example for defending the whole shite culture v. good culture divide. it's not the #1 per capita murder capital without that. also, since we're talking about education, again, Nola is a horrible example
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No. It's a tough fight but one that is good for the region.
it's impossible to "Win"
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:16 pm to dewster
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Staying and fighting isn't enough. That won't matter if most of your neighborhood sold out and left.....you will be penalized financially when you eventually sell.
yeah a home is pretty much the biggest investment the vast majority of persons/families will ever make
easy to talk in absolute idealism when your life's biggest investment isn't at risk
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:16 pm to elprez00
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Because the present day local officials continue to maintain the status quo instead of trying to make things better. The entire St George movement is a direct result of that.
What part of being under a Federal Court order don"t you understand?
There isn't anything they can do outside of complying with the court mandates.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:17 pm to SlowFlowPro
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this isn't the 70s and BR is a majority black city now
It's what started the ball in motion, and it's majority black because the whites who moved from here now live in pasture land subdivisions in the two adjoining parishes next to shiny new Walmarts and strip centers, soon to get old, dilapidated, and outdated, as well as overrun with the constant egress outward instead of in.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:18 pm to Mike da Tigah
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as well as overrun with the constant egress outward instead of in.
if the undesirables move out there, those of good culture will just move back (which is happening in many metro areas)
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:18 pm to Pennymoney
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Game, Set, Match…
How would that stop anything? I mean it's not like another mall couldn't be built.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:21 pm to constant cough
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How would that stop anything? I mean it's not like another mall couldn't be built.
LOL. Where? another one in "St. George"? yeah right.
No Mall means no taxes That means property taxes sky rocket to pay for the new city. Can't way to see the yes votes for that...
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:22 pm to SlowFlowPro
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if the undesirables move out there, those of good culture will just move back (which is happening in many metro areas)
I don't think that's why it's happening.
It has a lot more to do with millennials not being interested the suburbs and baby-boomers want to downsize for compact living.
I know downtown revitalization and urban renewal is anathema to you, so it must be a tough pill to swallow.
Posted on 4/18/14 at 2:23 pm to urinetrouble
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I know downtown revitalization and urban renewal is anathema to you
wut
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