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re: Saturday Night Friday Story: Hale Boggs Disappears in the Alaska Triangle-50 years later

Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:31 pm to
Posted by McLemore
Member since Dec 2003
34810 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:31 pm to
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Awesome dude. I would drink beer with him on Friday afternoons.


Those were the days. Wayne and Keith and the gang at The Library. Gatherings at Wayne’s house. Friendly debates and discussions.

And number your freaking pages, people.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
49000 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:37 pm to
I have a big picture question.


How can scientists tell us the composition of entire planets that we've never even been to but can't find metal objects over large areas?

Thermal imaging is nice
but why is still there no large area x-ray type camera that can find metals in the earths crust?


Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19213 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:40 pm to
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This country would be a whole lot better off of a bunch more politicians got lost in Alaska.


Pedo Joe could get lost in a Circle K if not for his handlers.
Posted by hellsu
Northshore via Westbank
Member since Jan 2009
4146 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 10:58 pm to
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And guess who drove Boggs to the airport for the trip to Alaska.


Bill Clinton.
Posted by holmesbr
Baton Rouge, La.
Member since Feb 2012
3909 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:15 pm to
Pretty interesting podcast about this. Talks about the crash and Arizona mob connections. Missing In Alaska or something like that.
Posted by OU Guy
Member since Feb 2022
24823 posts
Posted on 3/4/23 at 11:26 pm to
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I have a big picture question. How can scientists tell us the composition of entire planets that we've never even been to but can't find metal objects over large areas?


Because all our huge telescopes face space and not earth? And satelites can’t carry these huge earth facing telescopes?
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 12:22 am to
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T Wayne Parent


Loved him.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 2:47 am to
This article seems useful:

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Here’s what we know: On Oct. 16, 1972, at just before 9 a.m., a Cessna 310C, its registration number, N1812H, laid out in 10-inch tall block letters across the lower margin of its vertical tail, departed from Anchorage International Airport’s Runway 24R (since renumbered as 25R) under gray skies and into what was, at best, marginal flying weather.


The plane seemed fine. The evening before, the pilot had flown the light twin-engine Cessna down from Fairbanks just for this flight. Fresh out of its regular 100-hour maintenance check and fully fueled up again in Anchorage for the charter flight, the 1959 Cessna 310C was in game shape for the planned 575-mile jaunt down to Juneau. No one took special notice. It was just a small plane with four men aboard heading down the coast, just as thousands of small planes had done before and thousands more have done since.



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The pilot, himself a remarkable character, went by the name Don Jonz, though that wasn’t his original name. Jonz, who was 38, had changed his name earlier in his life to distinguish himself from the many thousands of other “Don Joneses” in the world. Jonz (pronounced like “Johns”) owned not only the Cessna twin he was flying but also the small charter company, which he had grandly called Pan Alaska Airways. It was providing the flight free of charge, he reportedly told friends.


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Ten minutes after the Cessna lifted off from Anchorage, Jonz radioed the FAA Flight Service Station in Anchorage to file a flight plan. The pilot told the specialist, with whom he had spoken on the phone earlier in the morning to get a weather update, that the plan was to fly V-317 south all the way down to Yakutat, which is most of the way to Juneau, and then direct from there.





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Regardless, the flight, for however long it lasted, was officially a Visual Flight Rules affair, though Jonz, based on his writings about avoiding icing conditions, wouldn’t have hesitated to jump on the gauges to stay out of or get out of trouble by flying in the clouds for a bit, and by all accounts he would have done so expertly, had the need arisen. That said, the risk of hand flying in actual conditions with probable strong turbulence and possible moderate icing is very high.


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What role the weather played in the loss of N1812H, however, will likely will remain a mystery. In its report, the NTSB determined that the day’s weather along the route of flight was “not conducive” to VFR flight, though it’s not the forecast or weather reports that determine what VFR is but the in-flight visibility. Again, what the weather looked like to Jonz is a detail we’ll never know. Regardless, the NTSB stopped short of saying that Jonz would’ve violated any cloud clearance or visibility rules along whatever segment of the route of flight he wound up completing before some kind of disaster struck, either fire or ice based.


Plane and Pilot

Tl;dr. Marginal weather with icing. Bold pilot. Lots of places to crash where they wouldn’t find you.


Posted by TutHillTiger
Mississippi Alabama
Member since Sep 2010
49830 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 2:51 am to
There was a guy who claimed he put a bomb on the plane for the spooks or something then he married the Alaska Congressman’s wife.
Posted by painman1
Member since Jan 2023
295 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 2:55 am to
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This country would be a whole lot better off of a bunch more politicians got lost in Alaska.


True that.
Posted by The Baker
This is fine.
Member since Dec 2011
19085 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 3:39 am to
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Some think it tied into his disappearance in Alaska.
anyone with a brain.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297292 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 3:42 am to
Its generally thought something happened near portage pass. Its not uncommon for aircraft to go down in water (like PWS) and not ever be located.

You'd think a prominent pilot would have no issues with a pass he was very familiar with, but weird things happen.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 5:10 am to
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You'd think a prominent pilot would have no issues with a pass he was very familiar with, but weird things happen.


The pass is 400 msl with 6000 msl mountains on each side. A helicopter turned back that day because it was slogged in.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297292 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 5:16 am to
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The pass is 400 msl with 6000 msl mountains on each side. A helicopter turned back that day because it was slogged in.


I've flown over that pass dozens of times and hiked it several, it was not a challenge for a suitable pilot in a fixed wing. Choppers can fly with less visibility, but icing and wind affect them worse.

Helicopters had restrictions (such as flying in clouds in freezing weather) that most aircraft with decent pilots did not have.

I would never fly on a coptor across that pass. Constant wind. It beats choppers down to the ground.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 5:20 am
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:13 am to
Jonz had 17,000 hours and wrote for Flying.
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297292 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:19 am to
There is the wreckage of several planes in the Chilkat Mts towards the Juneau end of the flight, including Alaska Air 1866. If the crash was found in Southeast it would be more understandable but he knew the pass near Whittier as well as anyone.
Posted by Bestbank Tiger
Premium Member
Member since Jan 2005
79330 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:25 am to
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Tell more Bestbank


Second one was answered earlier.

Magic bullet was concocted by Arlen Specter.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52368 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 7:31 am to
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for however long it lasted, was officially a Visual Flight Rules affair, though Jonz, based on his writings about avoiding icing conditions, wouldn’t have hesitated to jump on the gauges to stay out of or get out of trouble by flying in the clouds for a bit

Flying into clouds is how you invite icing, not avoid it.

It always amazes me how rich and powerful people will entrust their lives, and the lives of their families, to shitty pilots and aircraft. Kobe Bryant is a great example. This guy was worth half a billion dollars, yet his family was being flown around by a single pilot with avionics that did not include a visual depiction of terrain. A second pilot, and a helicopter with up to date TAWS (Terrain Avoidance and Warning) costs nothing for a man of that wealth.

And Boggs’ pilot was a knucklehead not to be on an instrument flight plan in those conditions.
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
24611 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 8:21 am to
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More Than 16,000 People Have Gone Missing From Alaska's 'Bermuda Triangle,' Is There An Explanation?

Posted by 308
the backwoods of Mississippi
Member since Sep 2020
3098 posts
Posted on 3/5/23 at 10:11 am to
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Fun fact: Boggs was the lone dissenter on the Warren Commission.


Are you sure about that?

You might want to do a little research on Senator Richard Russell of Georgia.
This post was edited on 3/5/23 at 10:29 am
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