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re: Sally - Moving towards Georgia - Potential for Significant Flooding

Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:09 pm to
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:09 pm to
No you won't have an idea on intensity until it's about to hit land. These models have been awful at projecting intensity and looking realistically right now it seems they're going awfully conservative on good conditions to strengthen 5 days out to landfall. It would need to take a northern track for the intensity to be held more in check.

In Laura they specifically said it could keep getting stronger and it just blew up in 2 days. Their wording here is the same thing...don't be surprised if intensity forecasts keep going up. It's peak season, warm waters, low if no shear, not a lot of adverse conditions right now for it. fricking sucks. It's going to take this system awhile to get fully organized.

Wishcast this bitch to hit land early and take those northern tracks. Florida, Bama y'all can handle a little afternoon shower rather than letting this thing get way stronger then ramming a third hurricane into Louisiana's arse in a few weeks. I honestly think that current track would be awful for SE Louisiana even if it did end up as a TS. That's a bad spot to hit and it's moving slow too. Anyone is better equipped to take this storm than us right now.
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 8:35 pm
Posted by Vote4MikeAck504
Go Cocks!
Member since Mar 2019
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Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:10 pm to
Destroya will not be bullied!
Posted by rt3
now in the piney woods of Pineville
Member since Apr 2011
144369 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:14 pm to
quote:

No you won't have an idea on intensity until it's about to hit land. These models have been awful at projecting intensity and looking realistically right now it seems they're going awfully conservative on good conditions to strengthen 5 days out to landfall. It would need to take a northern track for the intensity to be held more in check.

In Laura they specifically said it could keep getting stronger and it just blew up in 2 days. Their wording here is the same thing...don't be surprised if intensity forecasts keep going up. It's peak season, warm waters, no shear, not a lot of adverse conditions right now for it. fricking sucks.

Wishcast this bitch to hit land early and take those northern tracks. Florida, Bama y'all can handle a little afternoon shower rather than letting this thing get way stronger then ramming a third hurricane into Louisiana's arse in a few weeks. I honestly think that current track would be awful for SE Louisiana even if it did end up as a TS. That's a bad spot to hit and it's moving slow too.

in his video tonight... Levi did say a stronger storm is more likely to head north faster into the FL panhandle and Alabama... while a weaker storm would be more inclined to go further west into Louisiana
Posted by deuce985
Member since Feb 2008
27660 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 8:17 pm to
Well, sorry to say you don't want to wishcast it but they're better equipped to take the storm over us right now. I'm not sure how the storm surge from a hurricane would look on Louisiana in that current path. With how slow it's moving on the forecast I wouldn't want to find out especially with the potential flooding. Even if it moved further north it would make a pretty big impact.
Posted by Skorzany
Member since Dec 2018
356 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:06 pm to
Need to start building one of these. What’s the conversion rate for cubits?

Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:06 pm to
quote:

Need to start building one of these. What’s the conversion rate for cubits?


About 3.50
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
126070 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:27 pm to
How do i convert knots to cubits?
Posted by brett randall
Depends on the moment.
Member since Feb 2007
1766 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:29 pm to
quote:

Need to start building one of these. What’s the conversion rate for cubits?


About 3.50


Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
175984 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:33 pm to
So do I need to evacuate NOLA from my current evacuation from Lake Charles?
Posted by LaBR4
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2005
52907 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:45 pm to
I'd say anywhere from Dallas on West to say, Sante Fe should be ok from Hurricanes and Fires.

LaBR4
Interim President

This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 9:46 pm
Posted by NorthEndZone
Member since Dec 2008
13156 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 9:55 pm to
000
WTNT44 KNHC 120243
TCDAT4

Tropical Depression Nineteen Discussion Number 2
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL192020
1100 PM EDT Fri Sep 11 2020

Doppler radar data from Miami and satellite images indicate that
the depression is gradually becoming better organized. The
low-level center is estimated to be near the northwestern edge of
the main area of deep convection due to some northerly wind shear.
Surface observations and satellite classifications support holding
the initial intensity at 30 kt. The minimum pressure appears to be
a little lower than before, now 1007 mb
.

The tropical depression is moving west-northwestward at about 7
kt. A subtropical ridge extending from the southeast U.S. to the
western Atlantic should steer the depression west-northwestward
across south Florida tonight and Saturday morning and then over the
eastern Gulf of Mexico late Saturday and Sunday. After that time,
the ridge is forecast to weaken due to an approaching trough,
but the trough is not expected to be strong enough to cause the
cyclone to turn northward. Instead, the models suggest that a slow
west-northwestward motion very near the northern Gulf coast is
likely during the early and middle portions of next week
.
Although the models all show a relatively similar scenario, there
is a fair amount of spread by the time the system nears the
northern Gulf coast. The NHC track forecast lies roughly near the
middle of the guidance envelope close to the consensus aids.
Several of the local National Weather Service forecast offices
across the southeast U.S. will be launching weather balloons four
times per day, which should provide the models with excellent data

in hopes to provide better track guidance during the next couple of
days.

Since the depression is expected to move over very warm SSTs, once
it reaches the eastern Gulf of Mexico tomorrow, and remain in an
environment of low wind shear and high moisture, gradual
strengthening seems likely. The models suggest that there could
be an increase in westerly shear around the time the cyclone is
forecast to move inland along the northern Gulf coast in about 4
days. Based on these expected environmental conditions,
strengthening is forecast during the next few days, and the NHC
intensity forecast follows the trend of the IVCN and HCCA models.
The depression will likely be at or near hurricane strength when
it reaches the northern Gulf coast
.

Users are reminded to not to focus on the exact details of
the track or intensity forecast as the average NHC track error at
96 h is around 150 miles and the average intensity error is around
15 mph. In addition, winds, storm surge, and rainfall hazards will
extend far from the center.

KEY MESSAGES:

1. Heavy rainfall is expected to produce isolated flash flooding
over portions of central and southern Florida and prolong existing
minor river flooding across central Florida.

2. Tropical storm conditions are possible overnight and early
Saturday along the southeast Florida coast where a Tropical Storm
Watch is in effect. Tropical storm conditions are possible by
Sunday night in portions of the Florida Panhandle, where a Tropical
Storm Watch has been issued.

3. The system is forecast to strengthen to near hurricane intensity
by early next week as it moves across the northeastern Gulf of
Mexico. Dangerous impacts from storm surge, wind, and heavy rainfall
will be possible along the Gulf Coast from the Florida Panhandle to
southeastern Louisiana
late this weekend and early next week.
Residents in these areas should monitor the progress of this system
and updates to the forecast, as Storm Surge, Tropical Storm or
Hurricane watches could be issued on Saturday
.


FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 12/0300Z 25.7N 79.8W 30 KT 35 MPH
12H 12/1200Z 26.0N 81.0W 30 KT 35 MPH...INLAND
24H 13/0000Z 26.8N 82.9W 35 KT 40 MPH
36H 13/1200Z 27.9N 84.6W 40 KT 45 MPH
48H 14/0000Z 28.8N 85.9W 45 KT 50 MPH
60H 14/1200Z 29.3N 86.9W 55 KT 65 MPH
72H 15/0000Z 29.7N 87.7W 60 KT 70 MPH
96H 16/0000Z 30.2N 89.5W 60 KT 70 MPH...INLAND
120H 17/0000Z 31.3N 90.9W 25 KT 30 MPH...INLAND

$$
Forecaster Cangialosi
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:06 pm to
System still tilted tonight. Will need to stack more to strengthen much before crossing Florida. Watching to see if the center tries to relocate to the southern blob of convection near the mid level center tonight.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
67107 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:11 pm to
quote:

System still tilted tonight. Will need to stack more to strengthen much before crossing Florida. Watching to see if the center tries to relocate to the southern blob of convection near the mid level center tonight.

What is the main player in shifting the surface low further south? Is it the southerly flow of the trough to its north that is playing on it?
This post was edited on 9/11/20 at 10:21 pm
Posted by MrLarson
Member since Oct 2014
34984 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:15 pm to
quote:

Watching to see if the center tries to relocate to the southern blob of convection near the mid level center tonight.


I like it when you guys dumb it down for us but that makes us look like simple jack.
Posted by Nodust
Member since Aug 2010
22724 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:21 pm to
Hold on to yer hats boys.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36408 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:23 pm to
quote:

What is the main player in shifting surface low further south? Is it the southerly flow of the trough to its north that is playing on it?


Yeah, it's getting a little shear off that weak trough to it's north.

So if the convection persists to the south of the low level center because of the shear, it will want to tug the low level center toward it because the stretching of the column of air with the convection induces rotation.
Posted by auwaterfowler
Alabama
Member since Jan 2020
2700 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:25 pm to
Literally just checked into beachfront house at Cape San Blas for a no-kids long weekend with friends. 2nd time in 3 years dodging tropical storms this weekend. Unbelievable......
Posted by slackster
Houston
Member since Mar 2009
90107 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:31 pm to
quote:

Literally just checked into beachfront house at Cape San Blas for a no-kids long weekend with friends. 2nd time in 3 years dodging tropical storms this weekend. Unbelievable......


It’s the worst possible weekend for tropical vacations. Maybe next time you’ll learn.
Posted by Mudminnow
Houston, TX
Member since Aug 2004
34166 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:34 pm to
If the center does go towards the convection to the south does this give the storm a westward shift for landfall?
Posted by Prominentwon
LSU, McNeese St. Fan
Member since Jan 2005
94373 posts
Posted on 9/11/20 at 10:35 pm to
quote:

makes us look like simple jack.


That makes my eyes rain
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