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re: Salary of $115,627 needed in order to qualify for a mortgage on a typical American home

Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:44 am to
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
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Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:44 am to
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Problem is these young kids want a 300-400K home. There are plenty of 175K homes out there


WHere they at??? Move in ready or fixer uppers? If move in ready seriously where they at....Cash investors will have them under contract before anyone needing a mortgage will have a chance to make an offer.
Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25378 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:44 am to
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Boomers are basically telling us to work 80 hours a week, don't spend money on cell phone, internet, food other than beans/rice and drive a 20 year old car with no air conditioning to our job 2 hours away because the only home we can afford is in the middle of the forest.

Meanwhile they had 3 kids and a stay at home wife/mom, went on 3 vacations per year had 2 cars and a house, no debt all while being a VCR salesman who would get a pension.

But don't worry about all that. The current economy is exactly the same... The younger generations are just lazy.....



The boomers are starting to die off. Their small businesses and their houses will be on the market soon. Just saying.....
Posted by dcrews
Houston, TX
Member since Feb 2011
30204 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:44 am to
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because it doesn’t have a Starbucks


There it is, called it
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
99099 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:45 am to
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Yes in “flyover states”. Not everybody gets to live in a major city/coastal area and never have. The entitlement to think 90% of the country isn’t good enough for you because it doesn’t have a Starbucks or pickle all Court lol


That doesn’t mean it’s significantly cheaper when you add up travel and commute for a job that is likely outside of that area. Especially with the cost of gas and automobiles today.

Shelbyville is about 40 minutes from downtown Louisville without traffic. That increases to over an hour in traffic on 64 (add about 15 more minutes if you don’t take 64).

This what you’re getting under $200k there. And it’s barely under.

With the median household income in Kentucky at around $55k, they’re likely not working jobs making enough to sustain a decent life (we’re not talking extravagant) just to have a decent home outside of the city.
Posted by OGtigerfan87
North La
Member since Feb 2019
3382 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:45 am to
And you might be a middle of nowhere land level home owner. The myth that in boomer times there where zero connection to where you could afford to buy and income level is simply that, a myth.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 10:47 am
Posted by OldSouth
Folsom, LA
Member since Oct 2011
10941 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:45 am to
That northshore search you keep posting includes land for sale. Those aren’t all houses.
Posted by Dire Wolf
bawcomville
Member since Sep 2008
36673 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
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Houses under 200k on the NS



gets you this 1400 sq "House" which is fine for a starter to build some equity but I doubt it's going to gain any value


Posted by dewster
Chicago
Member since Aug 2006
25378 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
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You really think city life is that much happier than rural/ Middle America life? Man some of y’all are soft



Once you hit a certain age....city life isn't worth it anymore anyways.
Posted by SmelvinRat
Slumwoody
Member since Oct 2015
1397 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
Here's the 200k and under offerings in Atlanta and the metro. These areas tend to make the local news frequently...

Posted by Steadyhands
Slightly above I-10
Member since May 2016
6816 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
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You can move to rural areas, small towns and even medium size cities and it would literally take half of these salaries to own a house.


What you need is that salary to just own a house in the rural area, if you want to be on reasonable terms. If you only make even half that salary, you better find a shack in the middle of no where to be able to afford it.
Only a stupid fool would make the stats reported in OP though. Purchasing a 420k home at today's interest rates on only 115k a year sounds like torture.
Posted by fareplay
Member since Nov 2012
4891 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
I grew up in a town of 11k people and saw the 08 recession wipe out all the businesses. Those towns are almost dead now.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58184 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:46 am to
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Now switch home type to single family home.... first time on zillow?


LOL
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9376 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:47 am to
Not a house. If we're talking about condos/town homes... completely different
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:48 am to
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Boomers are basically telling us to work 80 hours a week, don't spend money on cell phone, internet, food other than beans/rice and drive a 20 year old car with no air conditioning to our job 2 hours away because the only home we can afford is in the middle of the forest. Meanwhile they had 3 kids and a stay at home wife/mom, went on 3 vacations per year had 2 cars and a house, no debt all while being a VCR salesman who would get a pension. But don't worry about all that. The current economy is exactly the same... The younger generations are just lazy.....


And they wonder why society is full of edgy, violent young men. Truly the most clueless generation
Posted by AwgustaDawg
CSRA
Member since Jan 2023
7169 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:48 am to
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Sounds about right, knowing how the price of our house skyrocketed shortly after we bought it (right at the beginning of COVID).

And for shits and giggles, here in Kentucky, the median household income is $55,880 (2022). I imagine much of the South is similar.


It is the same for most of the country...and the problem is that rent is also outrageously high and climbing. If single family homes go up in cost rental units do also.

The changes in building codes over the last 20 years or so has drastically changed the costs to build a home without adding any additional value or safety to the consumer. People are completelt unaware because most of these changes were done under the guise of safety and put in place by contractors to increase the cost of building and that is the only benefit anyone enjoyed. It is not all of the increase in recent years but it is a big part of it. That and zoning laws that drive up the cost of housing pushed through by real estate inverstors is almost all of the increases in costs.
Posted by Gifman
by the mountains
Member since Jan 2021
9376 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:49 am to
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That northshore search you keep posting includes land for sale. Those aren’t all houses.


Yes, he forgot to apply and important tool called a filter
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32100 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:49 am to
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Here's the 200k and under offerings in Atlanta and the metro. These areas tend to make the local news frequently...



Atlanta is full. So is Nashville. Those are HCOL islands in the a region that is otherwise fairly affordable.

Try Jacksonville, Memphis, Little Rock, Birmingham, or the areas outside of the larger Louisiana cities (maybe a bad example - La home prices are jacked up). Plenty of jobs in those towns, and some of them are very lucrative.
Posted by member12
Bob's Country Bunker
Member since May 2008
32100 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:51 am to
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gets you this 1400 sq "House" which is fine for a starter to build some equity but I doubt it's going to gain any value



Got to start somewhere. Fix it up and put a little sweat equity in there. Then sell it as you upgrade.

I do agree that there's a shortage of affordable housing where we most need it though. That's partially because we didn't build enough of it in the last 15 years.
This post was edited on 10/18/23 at 10:52 am
Posted by PrecedentedTimes
Member since Dec 2020
3128 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:51 am to
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The myth that in boomer times there where zero connection to where you could afford to buy and income level is simply that, a myth.


My parents built a 2,600 sqft home in Addison, TX in 1989 for 180k. That same house is 750k now.

And don’t respond with “muh anecdote” this is hardly an unusual example of what has happened in this country.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
Cajun Navy Vice Admiral
Member since Oct 2012
35388 posts
Posted on 10/18/23 at 10:51 am to
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That is $308,912.32 in todays dollar


That’s dirt cheap for what he described.
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