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re: SAE at Oklahoma disbanded for racist video
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:23 am to StrongSafety
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:23 am to StrongSafety
I just mean that I totally see that certain organizations are not going to be open to the idea of letting in minorities. But they don't wear it on their sleeve as a badge of hate. They don't "actively block" them. You don't have a meeting before rush starts saying "remember, don't let any blacks in". You don't have terrible chants etc. What it boils down to is you can have a guy that truly does fit in with your group. He'd probably make it to the table for discussion, but all it does is take two or three guys throwing up an objection, and he's out.
It's still racist, and shouldn't be reassuring. It is not where we should be, but I think it has more to do with the organizations trying to protect their image than the individuals really being hateful racists.
There are the hateful racists as well. I honestly will admit that I didn't see a minority making it through during my time. But at the same time, I don't think of myself or a lot of the people I knew as being horrible people. I can't see anyone I knew doing something like what was done in the video and thinking it was remotely acceptable.
It's still racist, and shouldn't be reassuring. It is not where we should be, but I think it has more to do with the organizations trying to protect their image than the individuals really being hateful racists.
There are the hateful racists as well. I honestly will admit that I didn't see a minority making it through during my time. But at the same time, I don't think of myself or a lot of the people I knew as being horrible people. I can't see anyone I knew doing something like what was done in the video and thinking it was remotely acceptable.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 9:37 am
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Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:27 am to AlaTiger
I was in one of the large LSU fraternities in the early to mid 90's and although we never outwardly did anything this racist, racism definitely existed when it came to membership.
During rush I never once saw a black guy step foot in our house. There were (and I'm assuming still are) black fraternities, so they had their own thing.
I'll never forget though for 2 years in a row this asian guy would rush. I liked him and thought he should get a bid, but behind closed doors when we discussed letting him in it was a definite no and guys were not afraid to say it was specifically because he was a minority.
One of the other larger fraternities had initiated a hispanic guy and they were getting shite for it, so there was an unwritten rule of "whites only".
Sad when I think about it now, hopefully things have changed in the last 20 years at my old fraternity and at LSU in general......
During rush I never once saw a black guy step foot in our house. There were (and I'm assuming still are) black fraternities, so they had their own thing.
I'll never forget though for 2 years in a row this asian guy would rush. I liked him and thought he should get a bid, but behind closed doors when we discussed letting him in it was a definite no and guys were not afraid to say it was specifically because he was a minority.
One of the other larger fraternities had initiated a hispanic guy and they were getting shite for it, so there was an unwritten rule of "whites only".
Sad when I think about it now, hopefully things have changed in the last 20 years at my old fraternity and at LSU in general......
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:28 am to AlaTiger
"There will never be a Sooner SAE" is the new chant.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:29 am to KG6
I don't think not letting in minorities because they don't fit in is racist, if that's what you're saying. In fact, it's certainly not.
I've been out of school for a while, but if black guys had come to our house during rush (they didn't), I don't know what would have happened. If we had some who wanted to join and liked Texas country music, drinking shitty beer and GOP politics, I would have enjoyed seeing the discussions in chapter.
I've been out of school for a while, but if black guys had come to our house during rush (they didn't), I don't know what would have happened. If we had some who wanted to join and liked Texas country music, drinking shitty beer and GOP politics, I would have enjoyed seeing the discussions in chapter.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:32 am to Downtown Devin Brown
Another fallacy being perpetuated in this thread is that certain fraternities are the same across the country, regardless of chapter.
SAE is an incredible fraternity some chapters/schools and terrible others. Just like every fraternity. In fact, they have black members in other chapters.
This has little to do with this thread other than correcting the dumbasses using sweeping statements about fraternities.
That being said, SAE at OU is apparently a very successful and popular chapter.
No, I was not an SAE at Ole Miss, but I was very good friends with a lot of them. My fraternity, while good at Ole Miss, is atrocious other places. That's just how it works.
SAE is an incredible fraternity some chapters/schools and terrible others. Just like every fraternity. In fact, they have black members in other chapters.
This has little to do with this thread other than correcting the dumbasses using sweeping statements about fraternities.
That being said, SAE at OU is apparently a very successful and popular chapter.
No, I was not an SAE at Ole Miss, but I was very good friends with a lot of them. My fraternity, while good at Ole Miss, is atrocious other places. That's just how it works.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 9:42 am
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:33 am to TIGRLEE
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The double standard of what's Acceptable and what's not based on the color of your skin is what bothers me the most.
That's the reason things aren't and won't get any better between whites and blacks in America.
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TIGRLEE
Shut the frick up. It's those sorry sons of bitches attitude is why things will never get better between blacks and whites. They believe that they have the power to oppose people due to their skin color. If they believe there will never be a n**ger in sae, then they will never hire or want to work with a n**ger. They will never accept a n**ger as their equal. They are the ones due to their family money and or privilege will get these cushy jobs where they are responsible for hiring people or protecting peoples best interest and they will discriminate against n**gers. It is not because of some bullshite double standard you think exist, shite for brains. When was the last time black hung whites from trees?
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:34 am to Pettifogger
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I would have enjoyed seeing the discussions in chapter.
No, you wouldn't. It was nauseating to watch them admit they liked him, but were balling him because he was a (half!) minority and they were worried about what the other chapters would say.
I could put up with the Kavu visors and Chacos and North Face vests, but that was the last straw for me. I don't know if I went to one chapter meeting again after that.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 9:35 am
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:34 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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It is not because of some bullshite double standard you think exist, shite for brains. When was the last time black hung whites from trees?
I agree he's stupid, but if you want to do an assessment on who is the violent threat to who these days, we know how that'll turn out.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:38 am to TheCaterpillar
SAE was definitely in the top handful of houses at OU as far as selectivity from what I have heard
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:41 am to TheCaterpillar
We had one black dude go through greek rush at Ole Miss my rush year and he got a bid nearly every where. Went Sigma Chi and was a very popular dude (maybe even President?). Had a couple Indian fellas and Asian dudes that were pretty popular too in our greek system.
Hardly any go through rush though.
If I went to a black fraternity trying to get a bid, they would have looked at me like a leper. Its the natural desire to be around like individuals. Its not forced, its a chosen path.
These OU kids are fricking retarded. That wasn't even a clever joke. Its pure immaturity and idiocy. That guy standing up and leading that chant probably thought he looked really cool, but looked like a complete douche.
Hardly any go through rush though.
If I went to a black fraternity trying to get a bid, they would have looked at me like a leper. Its the natural desire to be around like individuals. Its not forced, its a chosen path.
These OU kids are fricking retarded. That wasn't even a clever joke. Its pure immaturity and idiocy. That guy standing up and leading that chant probably thought he looked really cool, but looked like a complete douche.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:42 am to boosiebadazz
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No, you wouldn't. It was nauseating to watch them admit they liked him, but were balling him because he was a (half!) minority and they were worried about what the other chapters would say.
I could put up with the Kavu visors and Chacos and North Face vests, but that was the last straw for me. I don't know if I went to one chapter meeting again after that.
You're assuming it would have gone poorly.
Point is, finding a black guy that fits in with our group would have been next to impossible. But still, we'd purged most of the overt redneck racists from the chapter by the time I was Jr./Sr. Of course, I probably stopped going to chapter during that period as well, so perhaps there was still more bias than I recall. Doubt it though.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:44 am to TIGRLEE
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TIGLEE
Your whole view of the world is too stupid for words. Sorry, but if you think that what those kids did is the fault of those who won't let the race issue die, that is really naive, and willfully so.
These were the future leaders of Oklahoma. The fact that you don't get why this is a problem is pretty sad.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:45 am to Pettifogger
Nothing stupid at all about what I posted.
You can post cracker and whitey all day on this board and it's perfectly acceptable...problem is though it's posted in the same context and intent someone would type the nword.
It's ok though. Double standard.
Lsu saints hornet is a mad little bitch.
Don't get caught up in his anger.
And Of course we we all know how that would turn out.
That's big part if the resentment that exists today.
You can post cracker and whitey all day on this board and it's perfectly acceptable...problem is though it's posted in the same context and intent someone would type the nword.
It's ok though. Double standard.
Lsu saints hornet is a mad little bitch.
Don't get caught up in his anger.
And Of course we we all know how that would turn out.
That's big part if the resentment that exists today.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:45 am to AlaTiger
If we gonna crucify the white kids for this, then we should do the same to the honky hating blacks as well.
And don't tell me they don't exist
So SAE doesn't like blacks, OH WELL. IMO you should be able to hate anyone or anything you want regardless of race, sex, religion etc...
And don't tell me they don't exist
So SAE doesn't like blacks, OH WELL. IMO you should be able to hate anyone or anything you want regardless of race, sex, religion etc...
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:46 am to Pettifogger
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t if you want to do an assessment on who is the violent threat to who these days, we know how that'll turn out.
Do we?! Please show me where blacks are running wild killing white people left and right.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:48 am to Placebeaux
I went to a few SAE parties and there were multiple black people and asians at their parties that were very good friends with many of the actives. So they may have not pledged any due to chapter pressure, but the SAE actives themselves sure werent racist as a group while I was there
at LSU from 06-10
at LSU from 06-10
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:48 am to Pettifogger
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Point is, finding a black guy that fits in with our group would have been next to impossible. But still, we'd purged most of the overt redneck racists from the chapter by the time I was Jr./Sr. Of course, I probably stopped going to chapter during that period as well, so perhaps there was still more bias than I recall. Doubt it though.
yep, I don't recall any overt racial hatred at our frat when I was at LSU, and racial tension was still somewhat high just a few years post deseg.2, we had some chapters from up north with black members come down for a few things, absolutely no problems, we were more brutal on ourselves than anyone else, whatever ethnic chink there might be in your armor was incessantly, cruelly, exploited
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:49 am to LSU_Saints_Hornets
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Do we?! Please show me where blacks are running wild killing white people left and right.
Is this a joke?
Violent crime is overwhelmingly committed by blacks. Violent crime by blacks against whites dwarfs white on black violent crime.
The stats are self explanatory.
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:49 am to Pettifogger
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Point is, finding a black guy that fits in with our group would have been next to impossible.
Not completely true. If I remember correctly, there was apparently a black dude that hung around one of the majors at LSU while I was there. Wore chapter t-shirts and everything, but he wasn't ever actually initiated. Didn't know them personally, so I don't know for sure, but I saw the guy around and he dressed FaF and was always with that group.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/9/15 at 9:49 am to TIGRLEE
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TIGRLEE
It's not the double standard (which I acknowledge exists) that is stupid.
It's that you chose to respond to the story by referencing it that I find dumb.
Cracker and whitey have zero historical sting and I never hear them used. To compare it to the n word is ridiculous. To bring it up as your first reaction to the dumbassery by SAE is just sad.
It's like when people respond to an act of terrorism by immediately saying "Christians commit violence too!" Whether it's true or not, the instinctual reflex clues us in to your thought process.
This post was edited on 3/9/15 at 9:56 am
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