re: Ruby Ridge - Why did the Govt get obsessed with Randy Weaver?

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So fking what, man??

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Getting the government to admit they were guilty is not an easy thing to do.

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Getting the government to admit they were guilty is not an easy thing to do.

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They admitted nothing in the settlement.

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I’m going to need you to be a bit more specific here. Right off the bat there are 3 families that would fit this description. 2 of them make geographical sense.

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Their names aren’t Bush. Dress stains and white water are among their claims to fame.

In today's media it is easily seen how historic accounts of Ruby Ridge still bow to the word of the DOJ/FBI and call Randy Weaver a 'white supremacist.'

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After Randy Weaver, an outspoken white separatist living on a mountaintop in northern Idaho, was entrapped by an undercover federal agent, U.S. marshals trespassed on Weaver’s land and killed his 14-year-old son, Sammy. The following day, FBI sniper Lon Horiuchi killed his wife, Vicki, as she was standing in the cabin doorway. Horiuchi had previously shot Randy Weaver in the back after he stepped out of the cabin. The suspects were never given a warning or a chance to surrender and had taken no action against FBI agents. Weaver survived.

After an Idaho jury found Weaver not guilty on almost all charges, federal judge Edward Lodge slammed the Justice Department and FBI for concealing evidence and showing “a callous disregard for the rights of the defendants and the interests of justice.” A Justice Department internal investigation compiled a 542-page report detailing federal misconduct and coverups in the case and suggested criminal charges against FBI officials involved in Ruby Ridge.

Barr told the New York Times in 1993 that he was not directly involved in the Ruby Ridge operation. Two years later, the Washington Post revealed that “top officials of the Bush Justice Department had at least 20 [phone] contacts concerning Ruby Ridge in the 24 hours before Vicki Weaver was shot,” including two calls involving Barr.

In January 1995, FBI director Louis Freeh announced wrist slaps for the FBI officials involved, including his friend Larry Potts, who supervised the operation from headquarters and who approved the shoot-without-provocation orders that “contravened the constitution of the United States,” according to the Justice Department internal report. When Attorney General Janet Reno later nominated Potts for deputy director of the FBI, top newspapers and members of Congress protested but Barr told the New York Times that his friend Potts “was deliberate and careful, and I developed a great deal of confidence in his judgment… I can’t think of enough good things to say about him.” A few months later, the FBI suspended Potts after suspected perjury regarding Ruby Ridge. (Potts was not charged and retired two years later.)

The Justice Department paid $3 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit from the Weaver family. But when Boundary County, Idaho filed criminal charges against Horiuchi, Barr sprang to action seeking immunity for FBI snipers. He spearheaded efforts to sway the court to dismiss all charges because holding a sniper liable would “severely undermine, if not cripple, the ability of future attorneys general to rely on such specialized units in moments of crisis such as hostage taking and terrorist acts.”

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Keep in mind that this was an undercover agent constantly nagging Weaver to provide this weapon. Weaver had refused to do so on multiple occasions previously.

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That is true and should be illegal. If anyone is enticed to break the law by a fed, it should be inadmissible.

That’s how Tommy Chong was sent to prison. The company he was part of sold bongs. The feds kept ordering them to a state that it was illegal to ship them to. The company kept denying shipment.

Eventually an undercover fed, or a snitch, (I forget which one) got a job at the company and shipped them anyway. This is how they got in trouble. Chong took the heat to keep it away from his wife and son.

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We use to have some ATF defenders on this board that knew some of the people involved at Waco. Those were interesting threads.

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There is a poster that has posted in past Ruby Ridge threads on poli, that was connected to first-hand Randy Weaver stories from the area.

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Ruby Ridge - Why did the Govt get obsessed with Randy Weaver?

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Ruby Ridge, Waco, and the 2020 Covid lockdowns have likely forced millions of Americans to get in touch with their inner libertarian streak.

Hard not to look at all that and not be very distrustful of government.

I always wonder if the douche with the “come and take it” sticker knows about Ruby Ridge, Branch Davidian, the MOVE house bombing and Mahler wildlife refuge. When the Cops/Feds come to take it and get any resistance good luck. They will kill you, shoot your family, light your house on fire or drop a bomb on anyone nearby.