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re: Ronaldo admits rape accuser said no multiple times but he apologized after raping her

Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:46 am to
Posted by chRxis
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:46 am to
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Your definition of rape is very broad

no, it's actually not.. you seem to want to include sexual assault, in some kind of way, under the umbrella term "rape"...

but rape, if you want to know how i define it, is bodily penetrable force of an unwilling person by the body of another... pretty simple... fingers/fist, tongue, dick, earlobe, nose, whatever, forced into another unwilling person, that's rape, in my book...

Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:47 am to
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do i really need to educate you on what the LAW says is rape? what you are describing isn't rape, but it actually, by the law, could be viewed as sexual assaul


Ok fair enough. So does “rape” only involve penetration? What about oral penetration?

I’m fine with that if your definition of rape is penetration and everything else is sexual assault.

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just not have actual sex... and THAT'S why he's being accused of rape...


Again, is there a clear definition of sex? What about penetration with your fingers? What if it’s 2 women, does penetration have to occur?


You are acting like this is cut and dry but you haven’t really provided anything showing how simple it is to determine rape vs sexual assault vs something else
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:48 am to
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but rape, if you want to know how i define it, is bodily penetrable force of an unwilling person by the body of another... pretty simple... fingers/fist, tongue, dick, earlobe, nose, whatever, forced into another unwilling person, that's rape, in my book...


Ok I’m good with that definition.

Is that what the law says?
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:51 am to
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You are acting like this is cut and dry

considering he admitted to it, it is about as cut and dry as you can ask for, as a prosecutor...

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Ok fair enough. So does “rape” only involve penetration? What about oral penetration?

I’m fine with that if your definition of rape is penetration and everything else is sexual assault.

Again, is there a clear definition of sex? What about penetration with your fingers? What if it’s 2 women, does penetration have to occur?



again, bodily penetrable force of an unwilling person by the body of another...
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:55 am to
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Is that what the law says?





Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:55 am to
I’m fine with that definition.

So if he ate her butt after she continually asked him to stop he wouldn’t be a rapist?

What would we call him?
Posted by JodyPlauche
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:58 am to
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Maybe there needs to be a middle ground for people who simply misinterpret the level of sexual contact the other person wants


Get consent...then there is no misinterpretation.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:01 pm to
I see your point, and I agree with you. You were right. While it may not be as extreme as other cases, technically if he admitted to penetrating her after she said no I guess that’s a “rapist”

Fair enough
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:02 pm to
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So if he ate her butt after she continually asked him to stop he wouldn’t be a rapist?

gross...


Posted by JodyPlauche
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Member since Aug 2009
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:06 pm to
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How are those 2 situations not completely different?


The victim did not consent and the sex was forced. EXACTLY the same thing.
Posted by chRxis
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Member since Feb 2008
28261 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:07 pm to
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I see your point, and I agree with you. You were right. While it may not be as extreme as other cases, technically if he admitted to penetrating her after she said no I guess that’s a “rapist”



and don't get me wrong, i totally see your point too, but all i'm trying to get you, and others, to see is don't get caught up in the optics of it, because if so, it's easy to start justifying, or even making excuses for this type of thing... we can't live in a world like that, at least i don't want to...

and fwiw, i have a hard time understanding why and how a guy like Ronaldo could get caught up in something like this, especially considering when the first time she said no, he could have called downstairs, not even show up, just call, and there would have 20 more hot arse chicks willing to be as freaky as he needed them to be....

hell, you in Vegas, and even though you obviously don't need to pay for it, you got more than enough money to get the BEST hooker in all of Vegas!!! what the frick are you doing Ronaldo? get your life together, bro...
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 12:08 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42509 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:09 pm to
She made herself available but did she arch it out Ronaldo

No arch and saying no is rape
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Member since Mar 2012
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:10 pm to
I really hope you have not procreated. Dude just described the very definition of rape
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:12 pm to
We are on the same page.

But what I’m worried about is people like JodyPlauche above who think that unwanted neck kissing is “rape”.

I’m just concerned about a slippery slope given that liberals in this country like to take everything to the extremes
Posted by Powerman
Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:15 pm to
No kidding. A lot of rape defenders in here

Probably a handful of actual rapists too
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
10051 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:16 pm to
quote:

So if he ate her butt after she continually asked him to stop he wouldn’t be a rapist?

What would we call him?


quote:

Universal Citation: LA Rev Stat § 14:43.3

§43.3. Oral sexual battery
A. Oral sexual battery is the intentional touching of the anus or genitals of the victim by the offender using the mouth or tongue of the offender, or the touching of the anus or genitals of the offender by the victim using the mouth or tongue of the victim, when any of the following occur:
(1) The victim, who is not the spouse of the offender, is under the age of fifteen years and is at least three years younger than the offender.
(2) The offender is seventeen years of age or older and any of the following exist:
(a) The act is without the consent of the victim, and the victim is prevented from resisting the act because either of the following conditions exist:
(i) The victim has paraplegia, quadriplegia, or is otherwise physically incapable of preventing the act due to a physical disability.
(ii) The victim is incapable, through unsoundness of mind, of understanding the nature of the act, and the offender knew or should have known of the victim's incapacity.
(b) The act is without the consent of the victim, and the victim is sixty-five years of age or older.
B. Lack of knowledge of the victim's age shall not be a defense.
C.(1) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery shall be punished by imprisonment, with or without hard labor, without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence, for not more than ten years.
(2) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery on a victim under the age of thirteen years when the offender is seventeen years of age or older shall be punished by imprisonment at hard labor for not less than twenty-five years nor more than ninety-nine years. At least twenty-five years of the sentence imposed shall be served without benefit of parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(3) Whoever commits the crime of oral sexual battery by violating the provisions of Paragraph (A)(2) of this Section shall be imprisoned at hard labor for not less than twenty-five years nor more than ninety-nine years. At least twenty-five years of the sentence imposed shall be served without parole, probation, or suspension of sentence.
(4) - (6) Repealed by Acts 2011, No. 67, §2.
D.(1) Upon completion of the term of imprisonment imposed in accordance with Paragraphs (C)(2) and (3) of this Section, the offender shall be monitored by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections through the use of electronic monitoring equipment for the remainder of his natural life.
(2) Unless it is determined by the Department of Public Safety and Corrections, pursuant to rules adopted in accordance with the provisions of this Subsection, that a sexual offender is unable to pay all or any portion of such costs, each sexual offender to be electronically monitored shall pay the cost of such monitoring.
(3) The costs attributable to the electronic monitoring of an offender who has been determined unable to pay shall be borne by the department if, and only to the degree that, sufficient funds are made available for such purpose whether by appropriation of state funds or from any other source.
(4) The Department of Public Safety and Corrections shall develop, adopt, and promulgate rules in the manner provided in the Administrative Procedure Act, that provide for the payment of such costs. Such rules shall contain specific guidelines which shall be used to determine the ability of the offender to pay the required costs and shall establish the reasonable costs to be charged. Such rules may provide for a sliding scale of payment so that an offender who is able to pay a portion, but not all, of such costs may be required to pay such portion.




Sex offender
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:16 pm to
Before we know it unwanted hand holding or a shoulder touch is “rape”

And what it actually does is downplay the severity of real rape. When you hear “rape” every day you start to become numb to it.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
42509 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:18 pm to
Hot take bish is trying to get paid
Posted by JodyPlauche
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2009
10051 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:20 pm to
quote:

But what I’m worried about is people like JodyPlauche above who think that unwanted neck kissing is “rape”.



I assumed in the scenario that the unwanted neck kissing led to forced sex.

If it didn't its just a dumb question.
Posted by notbilly
alter
Member since Sep 2015
7242 posts
Posted on 12/1/18 at 12:21 pm to
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He doesn't know if she had an orgasm


She didn't
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