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re: Ronaldo admits rape accuser said no multiple times but he apologized after raping her
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:41 am to chRxis
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:41 am to chRxis
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the way he nonchalantly talks about her saying no, leads me to believe that he heard her, he just thought it was the same sort of shy roleplay thingy that some women do, when in fact, this was being said for real... he just didn't pick up on the severity of her tone....
Which brings me back to my point about having physical proof. If she checked off a box saying she did or did not want to be penetrated then we don’t have to wonder.
It’s ridiculous and absurd, but it’s the only way to protect yourself if you are rich and famous.
The rest of us are fricked. Ain’t no way a girl is checking any boxes before I get in there, they are just going to think I’m a weirdo and walk out
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Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:42 am to Janky
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So, dude got her drunk and took her to his room. He then ripped off her clothes and raped her and no one heard a thing? She didn't scream or anything?
you do realize that real life doesn't always play out like you seen in the movies or on TV, right?
there's no "right way" to act during a sexual assault, nor after.... her not screaming doesn't mean she consented to penetrable sex...
did she want to make out and possibly suck his dick? the evidence bears that's very possible... did she want to be forcibly penetrated? the evidence seems to bear she did not.... and in that case, regardless of the lead up, that IS rape... period...
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:43 am to chRxis
How did we get this far without "I've been to Vegas, could have been me" 
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:44 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Which brings me back to my point about having physical proof. If she checked off a box saying she did or did not want to be penetrated then we don’t have to wonder.
in a day and age where everyone has a camcorder on their phone, you don't need all that... hell, all he would need is a text message with "do you want to have sex?" and a yes reply, and this wouldn't be an issue right now...
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:44 am to chRxis
So, she thought frick it I am just gonna sit here and take it?
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:45 am to Amadeo
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Amadeo
Thats bad logic.
By his own admission, she said no multiple times, but he did it anyway. There is no debate here. There is no lack of evidence. He. Raped. Her. There are only morally corrupt boys trying to defend his actions as a misunderstanding. Believe it or not, we are not entitled to have sex with anyone just because they have agreed to and even initiated other physical contact.
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 10:47 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:49 am to AUjim
So next question is, does he get charged with rape?
Obviously there is evidence there but is it enough to convict him. Or does it even go that far?
Obviously there is evidence there but is it enough to convict him. Or does it even go that far?
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:49 am to Janky
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So, she thought frick it I am just gonna sit here and take it?
i'm going to guess you are one of the lucky ones and haven't been sexually assaulted/molested....
well, as someone who has been, let me speak from experience... yeah, she probably did.... what HER reasons were for that, i can't speak for, but i know that when it happened to me, i was basically just sorta paralyzed... i wanted to move, but i just couldn't... i knew what was going on, but it was so surreal, i just froze...
and as far as the "after", yeah, i didn't tell even my parents until 19 years later... i pushed that so far into the dark, deep recess of my brain, to try to forget about it, that i just never brought it up, fearing not being believed, feeling shamed, etc.... the ONLY reason i can bring it up now is because of the years of therapy that i've gone through, that have helped me deal with the after effects of what i went through....
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:50 am to AUjim
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Thats bad logic.
Wow! I didn't realize my attempt at sarcasm was that weak.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 10:54 am to AUjim
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By his own admission, she said no multiple times, but he did it anyway. There is no debate here. There is no lack of evidence. He. Raped. Her. There are only morally corrupt boys trying to defend his actions as a misunderstanding. Believe it or not, we are not entitled to have sex with anyone just because they have agreed to and even initiated other physical contact.
Maybe the issue here is that there is no middle ground. With physical altercations there are different levels... assault, battery, aggravated assault.
I think the hang up here is some people don’t think he should be considered a rapist on equal grounds as a piece of shite who waits in the alley and holds a woman down who is fighting for her life.
Maybe there needs to be a middle ground for people who simply misinterpret the level of sexual contact the other person wants. She obviously wanted something, he just misinterpreted it. Should he get 20 years in prison for that?
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:02 am to WaWaWeeWa
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She obviously wanted something, he just misinterpreted it. Should he get 20 years in prison for that?
people who kill someone in an auto accident get years in prison for vehicular homicide... sucks, considering the person didn't mean to kill anyone, but it is what it is....
if the dude broke a law, then yes, he has to suffer the repercussions.... sorry, but it is what it is....
just like you said, he should have been smarter about this, or he could have taken one the the ample opportunities she gave him to stop, but he made his choice....
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:08 am to chRxis
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people who kill someone in an auto accident get years in prison for vehicular homicide... sucks, considering the person didn't mean to kill anyone, but it is what it is....
Agreed, but they get manslaughter not 1st degree murder
Calling him a rapist on par with your average piece of trash in central lockup doesn’t seem appropriate.
And yes there should be reprocussions
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 11:09 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:17 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Calling him a rapist on par with your average piece of trash in central lockup doesn’t seem appropriate.
why, bc he's pretty to look at and/or he's a sports star?
what if the piece of trash in central lockup is there for the EXACT same thing?
look, while it might not be as messy, dirty, socially unacceptable, etc, as what we know of "rape", don't get it twisted... he forced another human being to do something against their will, for his own pleasure/personal gain... regardless of how it came about, who all was involved, etc., that's a crime, and it should be treated no less than the ugly step cousin that we know of "rape"... b/c at the heart of it, like i said he forcibly manipulated another human being for his own gain, and THAT is the same in both instances...
like i said, he many opportunities to stop, he just didn't...
i know as soon as i heard the first semi-serious sounding "no", shite would have got so weird to me, i would have stopped, grabbed my clothes, and walked the frick out, and never saw the person again, ever... but he chose a different route...
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:18 am to Amadeo
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Amadeo
Sorry about that dude-
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:32 am to chRxis
I guess we just see it differently.
She wanted some form of sexual contact. That’s undeniable. She grabbed his dick. They were kissing. Etc.
Let’s assume she has a list of things she wanted that night...
Kissing on the lips
Feeling up
Handjob
But for some reason she does not want to be kissed on the neck. She despises it. And in the heat of the moment he is kissing her on the neck and she says no but he continues. Is that rape?
Is that equivalent to a guy grabbing a random stranger, holding her down, ripping of her clothes, and penetrating her while she is fighting for her life.
How are those 2 situations not completely different?
She wanted some form of sexual contact. That’s undeniable. She grabbed his dick. They were kissing. Etc.
Let’s assume she has a list of things she wanted that night...
Kissing on the lips
Feeling up
Handjob
But for some reason she does not want to be kissed on the neck. She despises it. And in the heat of the moment he is kissing her on the neck and she says no but he continues. Is that rape?
Is that equivalent to a guy grabbing a random stranger, holding her down, ripping of her clothes, and penetrating her while she is fighting for her life.
How are those 2 situations not completely different?
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:35 am to WaWaWeeWa
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Agreed, but they get manslaughter not 1st degree murder
i'm sure the lesser charge and semantics of the whole thing keeps them warm at night when they are in the pen for a crime they had no intent whatsoever of committing, yet are there because of a taking someone else's life in an ACCIDENT... that's more than Ronaldo can claim, now, isn't it?
at the end of the day, they still have the face the repercussions of their decisions, whether we subjectively agree with the severity of the punishment or not... you can't just rewrite laws to reflect severity based on outside forces... you are either going to have laws, for a reason, or not...
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:36 am to tiggerthetooth
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Woman gets the chance to bang Ronaldo and she is still nagging and complaining about shite.
Interesting stance. Come back and tell us if you still feel the same when it's your daughter who gets raped.
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:39 am to chRxis
I’m not disagreeing with you
I’m simply saying maybe the laws and language need to be expanded to reflect the absurd state of things
When the options are rapist or not a rapist, that seems extreme in today’s world of microagressions and sensitivity.
Your definition of rape is very broad. And that creates a slippery slope that SJWs are salivating over
I’m simply saying maybe the laws and language need to be expanded to reflect the absurd state of things
When the options are rapist or not a rapist, that seems extreme in today’s world of microagressions and sensitivity.
Your definition of rape is very broad. And that creates a slippery slope that SJWs are salivating over
This post was edited on 12/1/18 at 11:41 am
Posted on 12/1/18 at 11:42 am to WaWaWeeWa
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But for some reason she does not want to be kissed on the neck. She despises it. And in the heat of the moment he is kissing her on the neck and she says no but he continues. Is that rape?
do i really need to educate you on what the LAW says is rape? what you are describing isn't rape, but it actually, by the law, could be viewed as sexual assault... if it's unwanted, especially if the person even takes the time to say it's unwanted, yet it still occurs, that's an infraction of the law...
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She wanted some form of sexual contact. That’s undeniable. She grabbed his dick. They were kissing. Etc.
i agree with all of this... she was down to do something sexual... just not have actual sex... and THAT'S why he's being accused of rape...
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Is that equivalent to a guy grabbing a random stranger, holding her down, ripping of her clothes, and penetrating her while she is fighting for her life.
the optics of it, no... of course not... but at the bare bones principle of it, yes... and more importantly, according to the LAW, yes, it is the same...
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How are those 2 situations not completely different?
again, if all you are going off of is the optics and window dressing of the situations, then yes, they are different... but keep this in mind... regardless of the how and why, in BOTH scenarios you described, the perpetrator forced another to do something against their own will or want... that's undeniable... that's the facts... and that's the way the LAW sees it... and as such, that's what it is....
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