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Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:27 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Maybe the approach we're taking needs some adjustments.
We are horrible at treating those with severe mental health issues and drug addicts.
They finally seem to be relaxing about locking up minor drug offenders, especially for those with little to no criminal history.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:27 am to JohnnyKilroy
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We have the best CJ on paper, but in practice it can be really really shitty and makes us worse off. Nola and Louisiana are pretty glaring examples of that.
Ending the war on drugs would be a step in the right direction
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:28 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Stiff penalties and higher incarceration rates than communist china yet still a crime ridden shithole.
Maybe the approach we're taking needs some adjustments.
Reduce focus on minor drug crimes and absolutely drop the hammer on violent crime, property crime, and illegal guns.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:30 am to SabiDojo
There are key areas of reform in our criminal justice system, but if we look at the rates of crimes per 100,000, we are reaching levels we haven't seen since the 1960's. Violent crimes are down from 731 per 100k to under 400 per 100k, and total crimes are down to 2800 per 100k. The actual number of crimes reported is lower than the number reported in 1975, when the country had 100 million less people and had much less overall diversity.
Why these numbers aren't widely reported, or why solutions to problems now are continually couched in assumptions from eras gone past, is beyond me. I don't know the reason for the downward pressure, but outside of specific areas, such as New Orleans, where even though the total crime index is down, the violent crime rate is still relatively high, there must be something going on that is working relatively well.
Why these numbers aren't widely reported, or why solutions to problems now are continually couched in assumptions from eras gone past, is beyond me. I don't know the reason for the downward pressure, but outside of specific areas, such as New Orleans, where even though the total crime index is down, the violent crime rate is still relatively high, there must be something going on that is working relatively well.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:31 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:31 am to Flynn2Bryd
Too bad you didn't kill them yourself.
Of course you'd be in jail for defending yourself.
Of course you'd be in jail for defending yourself.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:37 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Stiff penalties and higher incarceration rates than communist china yet still a crime ridden shithole.
Fwiw, China executes you for nonviolent offenses, even economic offenses.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:39 am to TheHarahanian
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I hate to blame the victim, but city park after midnight?
Hope he got a ticket for breaking the law. Illegal to be in the park, except morning call.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:40 am to crazy4lsu
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such as New Orleans, where even though the total crime index is down, the violent crime rate is still relatively high, there must be something going on that is working relatively well
Large culcha populations are the reason. BR had a record murder rate in 2017. As I was typing this I got a WAFB alert about a murder at a BREC park on Cadillac Street (in the hood)
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:53 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:40 am to Flynn2Bryd
Were you wearing a Trump T-shirt?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:43 am to Flynn2Bryd
What was going through your head while you were being robbed? How did your boyfriend react?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:43 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Stiff penalties and higher incarceration rates than communist china yet still a crime ridden shithole.
China is still an authoritarian regime with draconian penalties. I'm sure if we want to give up our civil rights completely we would see the population get in line
People are just going to have to accept we have some genuinely terrible people in the population
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:46 am to RogerTheShrubber
Counterfeiting currency? Punishable by death. Fraud? Punishable by death. Embezzlement? Punishable by death.
If you think comparing the US penal system to China's would make the US look bad, you're way wrong.
ETA: not directed towards you, obvi
If you think comparing the US penal system to China's would make the US look bad, you're way wrong.
ETA: not directed towards you, obvi
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:47 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:48 am to Breesus
quote:Is Salt Lake City a major city?
You wouldn't catch me wandering by myself in any major city park at night anywhere in this country.
If it is, I’d consider it there.
In the shitholes otherwise known as Memphis, New Orleans, Houston, Louisville, Atlanta, etc..., nope.
Does this make me a profiler?
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:48 am to SabiDojo
Yep, I got you.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:50 am to RogerTheShrubber
We put people in prison for things most other countries kill you for.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:53 am to lsufan1971
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And you could be charged with manslaughter. There was a case in my home town where guy pulled a gun at a bar. A person at the bar went out to his car got his gun and went back into the bar. He killed the guy that had the gun. He did 20 years for manslaughter at Cottonport. He tried to claim self defense but the DA proved since he retreated to his car the threat was gone.
That is different than what happened.
You have the right to protect your property. You could return armed with a shotgun to check on your property (your car) and then if confronted by the threat again use lethal force in self defense.
In your scenario, the guy is returning to retaliate not to protect his personal property.
In Louisiana, if I see someone stealing my property I have the right to go and confront them. And if they threaten my life I am justified in using lethal force.
This post was edited on 2/17/18 at 11:58 am
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:55 am to fallguy_1978
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Large culcha populations is the reason. BR had a record murder rate in 2017. As I was typing this I got a WAFB alert about a murder at a BREC park on Cadillac Street (in the hood)
But the trends are downwards, especially from the 1990's, where it seems violence was at pandemic levels. Even in states with African-American and minority populations. The violent crime rate in Louisiana about half what it was in the early 90's. No one seemingly has an explanation for this downward pressure.
Posted on 2/17/18 at 11:56 am to SabiDojo
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We put people in prison for things most other countries kill you for.
Yep. Hell, sometimes just probation...
Posted on 2/17/18 at 12:13 pm to soccerfüt
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If it is, I’d consider it there.
Have you ever actually been to SLC? Their homeless population is out of control, ESPECIALLY in their city parks.
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