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re: Rivian loses $33k / car

Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:01 am to
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17933 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:01 am to
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I assume the feds are massively subsidizing this company

I don't know of any fed subsidies they've gotten.
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1317 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am to
I read they are horrible to repair minor body damage as the panels are not very replacable. Insurance rates were higher because they tended to be totalled quicker, for no parts, or parts not replacable
Posted by Cosmo
glassman's guest house
Member since Oct 2003
131360 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:02 am to
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$33,000 on every one it sold. That’s roughly the starting price of a base model Ford F-150."


Where is this 33000 f150?
Posted by dr
texas
Member since Mar 2022
1317 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:03 am to
I did too,

wonder what really happened to blow that deal?
Posted by SlimTigerSlap
Member since Apr 2022
4313 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:04 am to
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They’re selling low but making it up on volume!!

You laugh, but that is the goal. The more they sell, the cheaper these trucks become to manufacture. At some point, they hope manufacturing costs decrease enough to hit break-even or profit margins.
Posted by NewIberiaHaircut
Lafayette
Member since May 2013
12439 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:05 am to
I have Rivian and Lucid in my automotive deathpool.
Posted by SloaneRanger
Upper Hurstville
Member since Jan 2014
13754 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:05 am to
Make it up with volume.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17933 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:06 am to
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I read they are horrible to repair minor body damage as the panels are not very replacable. Insurance rates were higher because they tended to be totalled quicker, for no parts, or parts not replacable

Yep they're a giant PITA to fix from everything i've heard. They wanted a super stiff chassis and they did that by making pretty much the entire thing structural.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17933 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:09 am to
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wonder what really happened to blow that deal?

Guy I do some work with was an intern with RJ at Ford and he told me there was a big pissing match over some supply chain issues. RJ wanting to go with higher quality but more expensive and Ford wanting them to use their existing suppliers. IDK how true it is but it's probably part of the story.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
89524 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:13 am to
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will they survive?



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In two years, Rivian has blown through half of its $18 billion cash pile, in part because it struggled to master the nuts and bolts of manufacturing. While production is now growing and losses have narrowed, Rivian still loses money on its vehicle sales. In an industry known for narrow margins and tough competition, Rivian pays too much for parts and produces too few vehicles to cover its costs.



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As of the end of September, Rivian had only built a total of around 65,000 vehicles, a fraction of what other car companies manufacture at a single U.S. factory in a year. Even with output increasing, Rivian’s factory in Normal, Ill., is operating at less than one-third of its build capacity. It aims to produce 52,000 vehicles this year.


In a free market id say no.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
138861 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:24 am to
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I don't know of any fed subsidies they've gotten.

I have to assume they've gotten something through DoE or DOT.
Posted by lsuCJ5
Holly Springs, NC
Member since Nov 2012
1082 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:31 am to
someone in my neighborhood bought one when they were first released. I saw it on the back of a roll off wrecker two times. He no longer owns it fyi.
Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17933 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 11:47 am to
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I have to assume they've gotten something through DoE or DOT.

I don’t think they have.
Posted by s14suspense
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2007
15818 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:27 pm to
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Guy I do some work with was an intern with RJ at Ford and he told me there was a big pissing match over some supply chain issues. RJ wanting to go with higher quality but more expensive and Ford wanting them to use their existing suppliers. IDK how true it is but it's probably part of the story.


Interesting. I see a relative ton of them around Louisisana. Also see a ton of transporters full of Lucids on I-10.
Posted by keakar
Member since Jan 2017
30152 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 12:58 pm to
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the company lost $33,000 on every one it sold. That’s roughly the starting price of a base model Ford F-150."



that was the price of a truck 20 years ago, todays base model trucks start at $45k for a standard tranny with a 4 cylinder engine
Posted by Jester
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
34717 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:05 pm to
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"All that comes at a cost. Rivian vehicles sell for over $80,000 on average. Yet they’re so expensive to build that in the second quarter the company lost $33,000 on every one it sold. That’s roughly the starting price of a base model Ford F-150."

will they survive?


How much of that is soft costs? As they sell more units, it drives the per unit soft cost down.

Posted by billjamin
Houston
Member since Jun 2019
17933 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:08 pm to
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How much of that is soft costs? As they sell more units, it drives the per unit soft cost down.

These articles typically do a bad job of understanding/informing how capex and amortization work.
Posted by TDTOM
Member since Jan 2021
25891 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:08 pm to
My buddy had their SUV delivered about two weeks ago. That thing is awesome.
Posted by kywildcatfanone
Wildcat Country!
Member since Oct 2012
139173 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:08 pm to
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lost $33,000 on every one it sold. That’s roughly the starting price of a base model Ford F-150."



Nope. Try about $40K for a bare bones F150
Posted by 21JumpStreet
Member since Jul 2012
14894 posts
Posted on 10/3/23 at 1:17 pm to
Lmk how much amazon lost the beginning years. Just saying, not end all be all
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