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re: River pilots seeking pay raise to nearly $700,000 annually despite shipping decline

Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:33 pm to
Posted by Damone
FoCo
Member since Aug 2016
32966 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:33 pm to
BLM should look into them, it’s all white people
Posted by bee Rye
New orleans
Member since Jan 2006
34384 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:33 pm to
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I personally know one of these guys and still can’t equate the man with the amount of money.
salt of the earth
This post was edited on 7/31/20 at 9:38 am
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61281 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:37 pm to
I know one who is a gay son of a senator. He's an ok dude though and seems to be very good at this job.

I also know one who is a dumbass and I'm still shocked he completed all of the years of training and certifications and hasn't done something stupid to get fired yet. I know some have done stupid stuff and had it swept under the rug and such, but this guy is like Peej level stupid.
Posted by saderade
America's City
Member since Jul 2005
26258 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:45 pm to
I’m pretty sure they have a few women and token black guys in the organization.
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:46 pm to
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How does a rb pilot make that and an airline pilot makes 150-200 k?


An airline pilot might killl a few hundred people if they screw up, a river pilot could kill a few thousand or most of the population of a port city depending on cargo if they screw up. The training path for a airline pilot and the time required to complete it is much shorter. To be a river pilot requires a 4 year degree from a maritime academy, there are only 2 or 3 programs in the nation, being a airline pilot requires no college degree. I don’t know if that justifies the pay, but most people have no clue about the education, certification, and apprenticeship requirements to be a river pilot, it is a 10 year process, you don’t just have a dad or uncle that is a river pilot and you get to be one and make 500k right out of high school.
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
76413 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:48 pm to
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I know one who is a gay son of a senato


Yeah, there was a gay dude that posted on here that was recently inducted.
Posted by DiamondDog
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2019
12819 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 9:48 pm to
I’m not saying you don’t have to have skill to do this job. I’m just saying if you remove the barriers to entry to this bonanza, these dudes make about $130k a year.
Posted by Penrod
Member since Jan 2011
52289 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:00 pm to
Anything over $350k For those chumps is stealing.
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138173 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:02 pm to
It takes a lot of effort for me to hit a bridge when I have a thousand feet of clearance on either side of my barge
Posted by boosiebadazz
Member since Feb 2008
84544 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:09 pm to
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Studies of the long history of pilotage reveal that it is a unique institution and must be judged as such.8 In order to avoid invisible hazards, vessels approaching and leaving ports must be conducted from and to open waters by persons intimately familiar with the local waters. The pilot's job generally requires that he go outside the harbor's entrance in a small boat to meet incoming ships, board them and direct their course from open waters to the port. The same service is performed for vessels leaving the port. Pilots are thus indispensable cogs in the transportation system of every maritime economy. Their work prevents traffic congestion and accidents which would impair navigation in and to the ports. It affects the safety of lives and cargo, the cost and time expended in port calls, and in some measure, the competitive attractiveness of particular ports. Thus, for the same reasons that governments of most maritime communities have subsidized, regulated, or have themselves operated docks and other harbor facilities and sought to improve the approaches to their ports, they have closely regulated and often operated their ports' pilotage system.9

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The history and practice of pilotage demonstrate that, although inextricably geared to a complex commercial economy, it is also a highly personalized calling.10 A pilot does not require a formalized technical education so much as a detailed and extremely intimate, almost intuitive, knowledge of the weather, waterways and conformation of the harbor or river which he serves. This seems to be particularly true of the approaches to New Orleans through the treacherous and shifting channel of the Mississippi River.11 Moreover, harbor entrances where pilots can most conveniently make their homes and still be close to places where they board incoming and leave outgoing ships are usually some distance from the port cities they serve.12 These 'pilot towns' have begun, and generally exist today, as small communities of pilots perhaps near, but usually distinct from the port cities.13 In these communities young men have an opportunity to acquire special knowledge of the weather and water hazards of the locality and seem to grow up with ambitions to become pilots in the traditions of their fathers, relatives, and neighbors.14 We are asked, in effect, to say that Louisiana is without constitutional authority to conclude that apprenticeship under persons specially interested in a pilot's future is the best way to fit him for duty as a pilot officer in the service of the State.

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The States have had full power to regulate pilotage of certain kinds of vessels since 1789 when the first Congress decided that then existing state pilot laws were satisfactory and made federal regulation unnecessary. 1 Stat. 53, 54 (1789), 46 U.S.C. § 211, 46 U.S.C.A. § 211; Olsen v. Smith, 195 U.S. 332, 341, 25 S.Ct. 52, 53, 49 L.Ed. 224; Anderson v. Pacific Coast S.S. Co., 225 U.S. 187, 32 S.Ct. 626, 56 L.Ed. 1047. Louisiana legislation has controlled the activities and appointment of pilots since 1805—even before the Territory was admitted as a State.15 The State pilotage system, as it has evolved since 1805, is typical of that which grew up in most seaboard states and in foreign countries.16 Since 1805 Louisiana pilots have been State officers whose work has been controlled by the State.17 That Act forbade all but a limited number of pilots appointed by the governor to serve in that capacity. The pilots so appointed were authorized to select their own deputies.18 But pilots, and through them, their deputies, were literally under the command of the master and the wardens of the port of New Orleans, appointed by the governor. The master and wardens were authorized to make rules governing the practices of pilots, specifically empowered to order pilots to their stations, and to fine them for disobedience to orders or rules. And the pilots were required to make official bond for faithful performance of their duty. Pilots' fees were fixed;19 ships coming to the Mississippi were required to pay pilotage whether they took on pilots or not.20 The pilots were authorized to organize an association whose membership they controlled in order 'to enforce the legal regulations, and add to the efficiency of the service required thereby.'21 Moreover, efficient and adequate service was sought to be insured by requiring the Board of Pilot Commissioners to report to the governor and authorizing him simmarily to remove any pilot guilty of 'neglect of duty, habitual intemperance, carelessness, incompetency, or any act of conduct * * * showing' that he 'ought to be removed.' La.Act. No. 113, § 20 (1857). These provisions have been carried over with some revision into the present comprehensive Louisiana pilotage law. 6 La.Gen.Stat., cc. 6, 8 (1939). Thus in Louisiana, as elsewhere, it seems to have been accepted at an early date that in pilotage, unlike other occupations, competition for appointment, for the opportunity to serve particular ships and for fees, adversely affects the public interest in pilotage.22

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It is within the framework of this longstanding pilotage regulation system that the practice has apparently existed of permitting pilots, if they choose, to select their relatives and friends as the only ones ultimately eligible for appointment as pilots by the governor. Many other states have established pilotage systems which make the selection of pilots on this basis possible.23 Thus it was noted thirty years ago in a Department of Commerce study of pilotage that membership of pilot associations 'is limited to persons agreeable to those already members, generally relatives and friends of the pilots. Probably in pilotage more than in any other occupation in the United States the male members of a family follow the same work from generation to generation
.'24


And one of the only times naked nepotism was explicitly endorsed and accepted by the US Supreme Court

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This post was edited on 7/30/20 at 10:09 pm
Posted by Rouge
Floston Paradise
Member since Oct 2004
138173 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:09 pm to
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Anything over $350k For those chumps is stealing.


Jealousy does not look good on you
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61281 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:14 pm to
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a river pilot could kill a few thousand

Tell us more please
Posted by LCA131
Home of the Fake Sig lines
Member since Feb 2008
76547 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:29 pm to
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The pilots also want the authority to increase their number from 122 pilots to 150 to combat fatigue that could lead to accidents.


Hmmm. I can only guess that the current pilot families have grown enough to fill this number of positions. Clearly, hiring outside of these established and approved lineages will quickly lead to maritime disaster.
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
87120 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:32 pm to
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The Crescent River Port Pilots Association Inc., called The River Pilot Mafia



FIFY
Posted by Fat and Happy
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2013
19510 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:33 pm to
I honestly don’t care.

Wish i was born into it but i ain’t gonna hate someone if they are. Good for them. That group of people have it majorly figured out
Posted by RogerTheShrubber
Juneau, AK
Member since Jan 2009
297061 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:36 pm to
It's such a bigass scam.
Posted by BilJ
Member since Sep 2003
162122 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:42 pm to
You should care. It’s government waste in a state that constantly whines about being broke. The corruption in this state fricking sucks but hey continue to sit on your dumb arse and not care
Posted by PhiTiger1764
Lurker since Aug 2003
Member since Oct 2009
14473 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 10:54 pm to
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An airline pilot might killl a few hundred people if they screw up,

It’s happened many times.
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a river pilot could kill a few thousand or most of the population of a port city depending on cargo if they screw up.

Has this ever happened?

I’m going to guess no. Because piloting a boat is easier than flying a plane.
Posted by kew48
Covington Louisiana
Member since Sep 2006
1551 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 11:08 pm to
What a crime !!!!
Posted by danilo
Member since Nov 2008
24826 posts
Posted on 7/30/20 at 11:14 pm to
River pilot and tug boat captain ain’t the same
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