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re: RIP Student Tailgating at LSU
Posted on 4/6/16 at 12:36 am to Brightside Bengal
Posted on 4/6/16 at 12:36 am to Brightside Bengal
For the people saying that the Greeks will just go back to tailgate in their houses, they won't due to the 3rd Party Vendor rules in place-which drove them out to the Parade Grounds in the 1st place. Also, the sororities are alcohol free therefore only the remaining 12 (I'm guessing due to all the suspended chapters) remaining on campus fraternities would be extremely easy to police for the 3rd Party Vendor rules.
What SHOULD have taken place is a warning to all student organizations that their tailgate locations would be mapped by LSU PD or whoever. Any trash, excessive MIP/underage drinking tickets, legitimate complaints from neighboring tailgates, fighting/arrests, etc. would then lead to sanctions against that Greek organization or student club.
The self clean-ups could be executed by Pledges & a handful of new actives (rotated each week. yeah, it sucks since you're not a pledge anymore but this is now the way it is due tk hazing rules). Because it's only hazing if just the Pledges have to do it. But if Actives are thrown in the mix, then it's just responsible activity.
With the threats of serious sanctions going forward, you'd see a change in the behavior. Greeks care only about their social landscape.
What SHOULD have taken place is a warning to all student organizations that their tailgate locations would be mapped by LSU PD or whoever. Any trash, excessive MIP/underage drinking tickets, legitimate complaints from neighboring tailgates, fighting/arrests, etc. would then lead to sanctions against that Greek organization or student club.
The self clean-ups could be executed by Pledges & a handful of new actives (rotated each week. yeah, it sucks since you're not a pledge anymore but this is now the way it is due tk hazing rules). Because it's only hazing if just the Pledges have to do it. But if Actives are thrown in the mix, then it's just responsible activity.
With the threats of serious sanctions going forward, you'd see a change in the behavior. Greeks care only about their social landscape.
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Posted on 4/6/16 at 1:07 am to ChunkyLover54
So...people have been bitching for years about the zoo that gameday on campus has become. The fights among greeks, the trashed parade ground, random drunks passed out on the ground, the sketchy people roaming everywhere. I've seen plentiful complaint threads about all this and more on TD during football season. The University tries to do something about it, and now people bitch about that. Whether this is the right way to deal with it is debatable, but y'all are blind if you don't think something should have been done.
If only people would be so energetic about the academic side. But, from LSU fans, that's asking too much.
ETA: Whenever the topic of festivals comes up, someone says "XYZ was great until the trashy people started going. That's why I avoid free festivals." Look around you. LSU gameday has evolved into a free fall festival 7-8 weekends a year, with all the problems that implies.
If only people would be so energetic about the academic side. But, from LSU fans, that's asking too much.
ETA: Whenever the topic of festivals comes up, someone says "XYZ was great until the trashy people started going. That's why I avoid free festivals." Look around you. LSU gameday has evolved into a free fall festival 7-8 weekends a year, with all the problems that implies.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 1:11 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 2:30 am to Lou Pai
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I'm not reading through this whole thread, but seriously what is the point of this shite? My college days are sadly behind me so I don't have much of a dog in this fight, but leave the kids alone. Who cares if they make a mess, the same thing happens on Mardi Gras? It adds to the environment on Gamedays, which incidentally is one of the few things LSU is known for.
Old fart here also, and I agree. Even though there are a not insignificant number of people that would like to ban students and make game day a professional sporting event, it is still college football, and the students should be expected and allowed to behave typical college students. TAF can probably afford to kick in some more money to pick up the trash if that is the problem.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 5:59 am to patnuh
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Kids are resourceful...this effort will somehow backfire on the administration
This is exactly what I've been thinking.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:03 am to JBeam
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It's for student organizations hosting tailgates, not all students.
I see a loophole already. Frat can just get a friend to host it.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 6:32 am to ACTIGER2012
Student organizations should file a law suit.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:11 am to jbgleason
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Expanding on my earlier post regarding the administrations views on lost revenue from game days, in that same meeting it was stated that LSU would like to be able to charge people to come onto campus on game days. One of the concepts floated was to set up checkpoints at major intersections where you would pay to buy a bracelet to allow access. Anyone caught on campus without the bracelet would be subject to a fine via a ticket from the police just like a traffic violation.
Please, please tell me that this didn't really happen. And if it did, that the idea got laughed off the table.
If that was an actual idea, these university administrators are some of the most clueless fricks on the planet.
Charging admission to step onto the campus of a public university, paid in part for by the same people who most likely would be coming to campus?
What if a student who lived off campus needed to go to the library to write a paper? What about parents who don't intend on going to the game, but are visiting to see their children? Would LSU really have the balls to tell those parents that their tuition and tax dollars aren't enough and that they need to pony up more dough for the privilege of seeing their children?
If LSU wants to completely alienate their entire community (alumni, parents, and students), they should totally approve that idea forthwith.
Have they never heard of the Laffer Curve? Yeah, it's about tax rates and revenues, but it's the same concept. If you keep "raising taxes" on people, they will eventually cease the behavior that was generating revenue in the first place (donating, attending games, etc.)
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 7:12 am
Posted on 4/6/16 at 7:49 am to Big Floppy TDs
Sounds like a modicum of self-regulation would cure a lot of these evils. Unfortunately, under-age college students binge drinking are not exactly the epitome of self-regulation.
It's funny to hear a lot of the whining from those of that demographic storming the barricades on this issue. If they were only that passionate about things that really matter...
If one can't hold one's liquor, clean up after one's self, and exercise minimal self-control, one would seem to be pretty much the embodiment of the colloquialism 'pussy', IMO.
It's funny to hear a lot of the whining from those of that demographic storming the barricades on this issue. If they were only that passionate about things that really matter...
If one can't hold one's liquor, clean up after one's self, and exercise minimal self-control, one would seem to be pretty much the embodiment of the colloquialism 'pussy', IMO.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:29 am to UGATiger26
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What if a student who lived off campus needed to go to the library to write a paper?
Not happening on the LSU campus on a gameday. Because of its location on campus, Middleton is closed every home game.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:45 am to Knight of Old
You've got to plan for and expect some things out of college-aged kids. It shouldn't be surprising
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:48 am to McVick
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What if a student who lived off campus needed to go to the library to write a paper?
I've seen an Asian with a backpack come out of the EE building on game day. He was definitely studying/working on project.
I promptly caught the door as he was leaving so I could shite in the bathroom.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 8:50 am to EA6B
They've already destroyed tailgating on campus with the GameDay parking fees. Why not totally kill it with this shite?
I used to tailgate behind Middleton with a bunch of folks I knew professionally. It was great and we were friendly with the folks around us. But when they jacked up parking, the tailgate went away. Now, no one tailgates behind Middleton. And you have pop up boutiques on the parade grounds. A couple of 8-5 seasons and the pop up boutiques vanish.
You had a great thing. Stop fricking with it. Let students get drunk before games. Keep parking prices low so guys from Pierre Part can cook jambalaya behind the library.
I used to tailgate behind Middleton with a bunch of folks I knew professionally. It was great and we were friendly with the folks around us. But when they jacked up parking, the tailgate went away. Now, no one tailgates behind Middleton. And you have pop up boutiques on the parade grounds. A couple of 8-5 seasons and the pop up boutiques vanish.
You had a great thing. Stop fricking with it. Let students get drunk before games. Keep parking prices low so guys from Pierre Part can cook jambalaya behind the library.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:28 am to The Bruce
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EE building on game day
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library
That student probably has a key for the building or some type of ID that allows them to access that building on gameday. My point is that LSU already made the decision to close off access to a building funded with taxpayer money and limiting student access to computer labs and physical library materials. While the physical library materials might not be used on a Saturday, the computers (and workspace) would most likely be used by students.
But this digresses from the point of LSU trying to limit the school's liability while allowing students to drink in public. In my opinion, this action by LSU tell me they do not want visitors to to be able to identify certain student groups who are engaging in rude or unbecoming behavior. It's one thing if a group of students are tailgating and playing drinking games; they blend in with everyone else who is tailgating. It's another thing when that group of students playing drinking games can be easily identified because of a sign or other paraphernalia by outside visitors/parents/not college-age kids. LSU wants to limit identifiable groups from being identified. I very well could be wrong in my thoughts.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 9:40 am to Knight of Old
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Sounds like a modicum of self-regulation would cure a lot of these evils. Unfortunately, under-age college students binge drinking are not exactly the epitome of self-regulation.
It's funny to hear a lot of the whining from those of that demographic storming the barricades on this issue. If they were only that passionate about things that really matter...
If one can't hold one's liquor, clean up after one's self, and exercise minimal self-control, one would seem to be pretty much the embodiment of the colloquialism 'pussy', IMO.
lol, I love when old guys like you hop up on your high horse and act like yall didn't drink way too much and do stupid things when you were in college. The only difference between now and then is that we have cameras everywhere and the Internet where everyone can see it.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:00 am to Brightside Bengal
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If you thought the tailgates on nicholson were crazy before, wait till this goes into effect.
Also, Walkons STACKED. Campus tailgates frickED.
This. All this is going to do is drive student tailgates off campus.
Maybe that's the goal of all of this.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:01 am to McVick
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It's another thing when that group of students playing drinking games can be easily identified because of a sign or other paraphernalia by outside visitors/parents/not college-age kids. LSU wants to limit identifiable groups from being identifi
Which they don't have. The only way to identify which is a frat tailgate or not is stereotyping. It's pretty obvious where they are at but none display it.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:04 am to Knight of Old
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Sounds like a modicum of self-regulation would cure a lot of these evils. Unfortunately, under-age college students binge drinking are not exactly the epitome of self-regulation.
It's funny to hear a lot of the whining from those of that demographic storming the barricades on this issue. If they were only that passionate about things that really matter...
If they legalized drinking at 18, all of this nonsense wouldn't be necessary. I always find it funny when people who started drinking legally at 18 tell other people it's wrong to do the same thing. As if what the next generation is doing is somehow different.
Of course there'd be a lot less money to be made off of poor college kids if that happened, and LSU wouldn't be able to hang this BS over there students heads as a plot to control them.
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:09 am to Dire Wolf
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The only way to identify which is a frat tailgate or not is stereotyping
I said this in the protesting thread. Everyone knows who the target is, but admins won't come out and say it. There's no distinction other than the pledges fashion choices.
So if the tailgate is just a gathering of a groups of greeks rather than a greek gathering, how will this ever affect anything?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:14 am to Big Floppy TDs
I wish college kids were smart enough to understand exactly where all these MORAL NANNIES that live to come up with rules and place restrictions on their lives come from. It's Cultural Liberalism people. It's this idea that everything needs fixing, that everything should be tinkered with and controlled, by well-meaning individuals who can make decisions much better for you, than you can make for yourself.
If I could only get you to connect the dots and see how Liberalism is infantilizing American culture. Wherever liberals can find risk and imperfection, some liberal bureaucrat will find a way to regulate you and your behavior. Every time you want "free college", wear a fricking Bernie t-shirt, post some fricking inane liberal meme, you are emboldening the people who are restricting your freedom.They have thousands of ideas on how to "improve" your lives. Wake the frick up . Resist this shite. Have some balls. frick. Are you seriously going to play along with this Liberal Fundamentalist Do-Gooder bullshite?
If I could only get you to connect the dots and see how Liberalism is infantilizing American culture. Wherever liberals can find risk and imperfection, some liberal bureaucrat will find a way to regulate you and your behavior. Every time you want "free college", wear a fricking Bernie t-shirt, post some fricking inane liberal meme, you are emboldening the people who are restricting your freedom.They have thousands of ideas on how to "improve" your lives. Wake the frick up . Resist this shite. Have some balls. frick. Are you seriously going to play along with this Liberal Fundamentalist Do-Gooder bullshite?
Posted on 4/6/16 at 10:17 am to NYNolaguy1
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If they legalized drinking at 18, all of this nonsense wouldn't be necessary
quit making criminals out of people.
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They threatened to hide their vodka in water bottles. They said they’d chug their whiskey in their dorm rooms. They said waiting in lines for booze would just lead to drunk students fighting.
Other students tried to take more reasoned positions, accusing the university of trying to make money off of a bar contract on game days. They reasoned that it was logistically impossible to regulate, pointing out that there are more than 400 organized LSU clubs and far fewer licensed alcohol vendors that do catering in the area.
more "reasonable" that is pretty realistic. People would just start hiding booze in water bottles.
This post was edited on 4/6/16 at 10:20 am
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