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Reuters: Boeing 737 MAX certification flight tests to begin Monday - sources

Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:48 am
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:48 am
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Test is a pivotal moment in Boeing's worst-ever corporate crisis


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SEATTLE/WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Pilots and test crew members from the U.S. Federal Aviation Administration and Boeing Co are slated to begin a three-day certification test campaign for the 737 MAX on Monday, people familiar with the matter told Reuters.

The test is a pivotal moment in Boeing's worst-ever corporate crisis, long since compounded by the COVID-19 pandemic that has slashed air travel and jet demand.


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After a preflight briefing over several hours, the crew will board a 737 MAX 7 outfitted with test equipment at Boeing Field near Seattle, one of the people said.

The crew will run methodically scripted mid-air scenarios such as steep-banking turns, progressing to more extreme maneuvers on a route primarily over Washington state. The plan over at least three days could include touch-and-go landings at the eastern Washington airport in Moses Lake, and a path over the Pacific Ocean coastline, adjusting the flight plan and timing as needed for weather and other factors, one of the people said.

Pilots will also intentionally trigger the reprogrammed stall-prevention software known as MCAS faulted in both crashes, and aerodynamic stall conditions
, the people said.


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The tests are meant to ensure new protections Boeing added to MCAS are robust enough to prevent the scenario pilots encountered before both crashes, when they were unable to counteract MCAS and grappled with "stick shaker" column vibrations and other warnings, one of the people said.

Boeing's preparation has included hundreds of hours inside a 737 MAX flight simulator at its Longacres facility in Renton, Washington, and hundreds of hours in the air on the same 737 MAX 7 test airplane without FAA officials on board.

At least one of those practice flights included the same testing parameters expected on Monday, one of the people said.

After the flights, FAA officials in Washington and the Seattle-area will analyze reams of digital and paperwork flight test data to assess the jet's airworthiness.

Likely weeks later, after the data is analyzed and training protocols are firmed up, FAA Administrator Steve Dickson, a former F-15 fighter pilot who has promised the 737 MAX will not be approved until he has personally signed off on it, will board the same plane to make his assessments, two of the people said.

If all goes well, the FAA would then need to approve new pilot training procedures, among other reviews, and would not likely approve the plane's ungrounding until September, the people said.

That means the jet is on a path to resume U.S. service before year-end, though the process has been plagued by delays for more than a year.


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Good luck to Boeing. I hope they succeed.

I honestly hope the MAX can make a comeback and make it strong because in this shitty year, we all could use an American success story and a story of redemption.

And the United States of America needs a serious competitor to Airbus who is making a killing with the A320 series and especially the A321XLR model.
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:51 am to
Did they change the airframe design so it doesnt need complicated software to keep from pitching up? Otherwise it's still a dogshit design.
Posted by jlovel7
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:55 am to
I don’t know how you repair the damage done to the American consciousness. Or the worlds for that matter. They’d basically have to outright lie and give it a totally new name without letting people know it’s still a MAX.
Posted by Athos
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 7:57 am to
I don’t know how you can save a plane with faulty design at the outset.
Posted by Sentrius
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:03 am to
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I don’t know how you repair the damage done to the American consciousness. Or the worlds for that matter. They’d basically have to outright lie and give it a totally new name without letting people know it’s still a MAX.



Luckily for Boeing and the Airlines, air travel demand has fallen off a cliff due to covid-19 and will take years to recover so that should allow for a lot of time to slowly put the Max back into service month by month and year by year.

Here's a good video that details the steps Boeing and the Airlines will take to get the MAX back into service and accepted by the public.

YouTube

I hope Boeing has learned a very harsh and painful lesson in this and that it was wrong and completely evil of them to put profit over safety, accountants and financiers over engineers. You just cannot do that in an industry like air travel and precious cargo like human lives.
This post was edited on 6/28/20 at 8:06 am
Posted by 225Tyga
Member since Oct 2013
20006 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:04 am to
I will never get on a Boeing 737 MAX.

Once they have it figured out, they need to change the name of it
Posted by fightin tigers
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:05 am to
wendover

*fap* *fap* *fap*
Posted by Knight of Old
New Hampshire
Member since Jul 2007
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:26 am to
Is Vegas putting out any odds on this test?...
Posted by kywildcatfanone
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:27 am to
They will rebrand it completely after success.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
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Member since Jan 2004
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:28 am to
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I don’t know how you can save a plane with faulty design at the outset.

yeah this is all insane
Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:31 am to
How do they find a test crew for this thing? Will it have ejector seats?
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:33 am to
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Did they change the airframe design so it doesnt need complicated software 


Just about every modern airframe needs complicated software to enable safe flight.

The F22 and F35 would be bricks without software.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:37 am to
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How do they find a test crew for this thing?


The FAA has their own crew of test pilots that are not affiliated with Boeing and will be flying the MAX themselves.

Then those FAA pilots will take the data from the test flights, assess it and make a recommendation to the appropriate regulators.

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Will it have ejector seats?




Boeing had to jump through a shite ton of hurdles just to get the FAA to agree to perform test flights for certification.

Boeing spent hundreds of hours in the air testing out the fixes and thousands more hours in the simulator as well.
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:41 am to
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Boeing had to jump through a shite ton of hurdles just to get the FAA to agree to perform test flights for certification.



Why would the FAA not agree to test flights? Why would Boeing have jump through hoops to do something that the FAA says must be done?
Posted by JG77056
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Member since Sep 2010
12080 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:43 am to
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The FAA has their own crew of test pilots that are not affiliated with Boeing and will be flying the MAX themselves.

Then those FAA pilots will take the data from the test flights, assess it and make a recommendation to the appropriate regulators.


No I get that. But I mean, who’s volunteering to drive that flying murder box?
Posted by BHM
Member since Jun 2012
4126 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:46 am to
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But I mean, who’s volunteering to drive that flying murder box?



Professional pilots that understand it is not a flying murder box.
Posted by Sentrius
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Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:55 am to
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Why would the FAA not agree to test flights?


According to WSJ, The FAA has consistently said that they would not give the green light for certification test flights until Boeing answered the agency's questions and concerns in a satisfactory manner.

That included vetting various software fixes, changes to the flight control system and technical analysis and risk assessments

All of this took months and more months and the test flights kept getting pushed back as they examined other areas of the plane and a whole host of new safety issues that were not previously examined.

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Why would Boeing have jump through hoops to do something that the FAA says must be done?


When you do a certification test flight, that is the final product you are offering to regulators and what you want commercial passengers to fly on. It must be a complete product and the design and software fixes has to be as airtight as it possibly can be.
Posted by Harry Morgan
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 8:56 am to
Posted by SM6
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Member since Jul 2008
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Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:00 am to
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Luckily for Boeing and the Airlines, air travel demand has fallen off a cliff due to covid-19 and will take years to recover


Not sure I would have used the term luckily.... we’re bracing for Delta to lay-off thousands of employees before the end of the year. Friends of mine have already learned their furlough numbers and aren’t being sent to recurrent training.

The only loser may be Southwest as they had the most planes in fleet and will be poised to regain market share as the domestic demand comes back. It is generally expected that international and business travel will be slower to recover, greatly
Impacting Delta, American, and United.

Going to be an interesting two to three years in the industry.
Posted by Sentrius
Fort Rozz
Member since Jun 2011
64757 posts
Posted on 6/28/20 at 9:06 am to
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Not sure I would have used the term luckily....


Yeah, I only use that word in terms of context for the MAX. COVID sucks arse but it may end up being a benefit for slowly easing the MAX back into service and slowly unnoticed enough by the airline passenger.

I would much rather no COVID and the airlines and Boeing face the music of a busy industry and insert the MAX in that scenario.

I really do feel for the workers of the airline industry. They did nothing to deserve this and I truly hope they can land on their feet and get their jobs back ASAP as demand comes back.
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