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re: Rescue underway to save 2 men trapped inside Arkansas grain bin.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:29 pm to upgrayedd
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:29 pm to upgrayedd
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That's not unusual. It's when the pressure on their bodies is released is when they start going downhill quickly.
Expound...
Pressure from where?
Full disclosure: I have never seen the inside of a grain silo and have no clue how they work.
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:31 pm to Swoopin
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Explain?
ETA BTW this news has given me a completely new nightmare scenario to ponder.
I'm not sure of the medical explanation behind it, but I've heard of that being the case during cave-ins while trenching. I imagine this situation is similar. Maybe one of the medical folks here can explain.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:32 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Pressure from where?
Pressure from the tons of grain around them.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:32 pm to slackster
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So it is likely that both men failed to tie off? After a little reading that seems to be the OSHA recommendation if you have to enter the storage facility.
I don't know. They were probably doing something different than recommended.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:34 pm to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:34 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Expound... Pressure from where?
The only thing I can imagine is a concept similar to being smashed in a car accident.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:35 pm to GeorgeReymond
frick. THAT.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:35 pm to ThatMakesSense
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I don't know. They were probably doing something different than recommended.
Yeah I appreciate the insight. I think many of us have a hard time imagining how this happens and/or the life-threatening nature of being in such a situation.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:37 pm to Teddy Ruxpin
Wet sawzall wouldn't throw sparks
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:37 pm to slackster
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After a little reading that seems to be the OSHA recommendation if you have to enter the storage facility.
OSHA don't go around no farm man
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:39 pm to LSUballs
Is it a farm though? Ritter Grain Services is the name of the place.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:40 pm to upgrayedd
Looks like that guy is tied off at least.
I still couldn't do it..
I still couldn't do it..
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:42 pm to Festus
Most of the farm hands I have seen are from South America, and those people usually disregard safety protocols. Could be what happened
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:42 pm to dualed
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How the heck did he get all the way to the door?
Why are you asking that question? When the real question is what were those guys doing during safety video that told them to always wear a harness that straps you into the roof when on top of the grain bin. Rookie mistake that I see way too many ppl make.
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I don't know much about these things but do they keep em full?
It probably was not full or close to being full. China has been buying grain like crazy and cleaning out the US grain storages. Plus it is almost harvest time and that is when grain storage is usually the lowest. Now if this had happened in nov or later then yeah they would be full.
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The pressure on their bodies at the bottom has to be intense
Grain gets pretty compacted in those things so they probably didn't sink into the grain too much. The biggest danger is lack of oxygen and dehydration. It gets hot as balls in those things and ventilation in those things suck.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:47 pm to Hammertime
I've dealt with one fatality from this in my business. 1 died, and one trapped and injured but lived. The 2nd guy was going in trying to save the first guy. I think I remember that in many of the silo's, there are ladders on the sides and used by workers to climb down, sometimes to unclog augers, etc. They're supposed to be tied to them, but they sometimes are careless, and don't.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:48 pm to slackster
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Ritter Grain Services is the name of the place.
Ah, still grain elevators are not very regulated at all.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:48 pm to slackster
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if walking on the grain is SOP, and grain entrapment is such a big issue, why is it allowed
Honest answer is it was the chance they were willing to take.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:48 pm to TheCaterpillar
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Pressure from where?
The grain is pretty fluid so I'd imagine it would be similar to water pressure. Then maybe a condition similar to the bends could occur like with divers from rapid decompression.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:50 pm to Guess
I think they mostly die from smothering, as once their head goes under, they inhale grain and smother. Unless they find a pocket of air somewhere below.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 3:52 pm to Guess
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The grain is pretty fluid so I'd imagine it would be similar to water pressure. Then maybe a condition similar to the bends could occur like with divers from rapid decompression.
I don't think this would happen.
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