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re: Report: Tony Schiavone Turns Down WWE, Signs Deal With AEW
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:20 am to Bard
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:20 am to Bard
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7. Don't hire Hogan and Bischoff.
---Hogan was built by McMahon and he can barely move now. Bischoff grabbed lightning in a bottle with NWO then didn't know what to do with it (and thus fricked it up so bad WCW was sold to WWE).
That's what I was saying in regards to dumping loads of money on guys just to sign or keep them away from WWF. Bret Hart being one of the best examples. WCW paid him a lot of money and it was almost criminal how they misused him. That comes from the top and the bookers. They actually had to put effort into screwing that up. When you think that Bret then got Neidhart a job that cost them more money, it is even worse. Neidhart said the WCW money was the easiest he ever made because all he ever did was sit around back stage and drink beer. They paid him six figures for a handful of meaningless matches, and there were many others just like him.
For AEW, or any big promotion around today, to be successful they almost have to be WWE and Vince. I mean mostly from a business perspective, not the end product because there is a big need for a fresh product.
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Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:22 am to pioneerbasketball
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Turns Down WWE, Signs Deal With AEW
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Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:33 am to teke184
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The amount of focus that Jeff Jarrett and later Kurt Angle got as champion was a huge problem.
I agree with Jarrett, not so much with Kurt though. Dude was great in and out of the ring and had an incredibly good grudge with Samoa Joe when he first got to TNA.
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IIRC, the most common chant at Jarrett was “drop the title” because people were sick of his overexposed and overpushed arse.
+ a bazillion upvotes.
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but whoever thought Karen Angle needed that much TV and PPV time should have been shot.
IIRC it didn't start until after Karen had left Kurt due to his addiction issues and had already taken up with Jeff. It was over behind the scenes before it showed up on the show, but I believe when that storyline started was where Karen started appearing regularly.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:36 am to BlackAdam
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Vince won. He feigns some interest in an awful announce guy, AEW "steals" him, but are now saddled with a shitty commentator.
Alex Marvez was awful at Fight for the Fallen, so Tony Schiavone could replace him. Jim Ross also sounds completely out of his element and bored out of his mind. When you listen to JR's podcast you get the idea that he absolutely hates the type of wrestling matches a lot of the guys in AEW put on.
To a degree though, I think AEW needs fresh faces in the commentary booth. Schiavone and Ross will always be known as the voice of WCW and WWE respectively. There's novelty in hearing these guys again (Schiavone especially should've had a wrestling gig after WCW), but AEW needs a voice that fans will associate with their own product.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:40 am to Bard
Angle the wrestler was good.
Angle and his (estranged) wife getting TV time was a malignant tumor taking away from most other talent who should have been getting built up as a challenger.
The clusterfrick “vows renewal” where AJ Styles somehow ended up married to Karen comes to mind.
Angle and his (estranged) wife getting TV time was a malignant tumor taking away from most other talent who should have been getting built up as a challenger.
The clusterfrick “vows renewal” where AJ Styles somehow ended up married to Karen comes to mind.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:43 am to BulldogXero
JR and Schiavone working together doesn't make sense. They are both play by play announcers, you don't need two of those guys. Bringing in Schiavone this late leads me to believe he is not announcing anyway. They already have a backstage interviewer so I don't know what Schiavone's job will be.
As far as the other announcers, Excalibur is pretty good. Marvez needs some work but hopefully he will learn from JR and the team will mesh over time.
As far as the other announcers, Excalibur is pretty good. Marvez needs some work but hopefully he will learn from JR and the team will mesh over time.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:44 am to teke184
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The clusterfrick “vows renewal” where AJ Styles somehow ended up married to Karen comes to mind.
I had blocked that entire abortion of a storyline from my memory.
Thanks for reminding me, a-hole.
You. Me. Sonic at noon.
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 10:45 am
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:52 am to teke184
In its early days TNA was basically a promotion designed entirely around the idea of getting Jeff Jarrett over as a main event talent.
It took until late 2006 to early 2007 (in part due to the death of Jarrett's first wife) for them to finally develop a product that wasn't centered around him.
That said, Dixie Carter was a horrible owner who had no idea what she was doing. Vince Russo should've been kept far away from the product. Bischoff and Hogan weren't so bad. Honestly 2011-2013 TNA felt a resurgence of sorts for the product, but there were dumb decisions made there too. There was never any reason for TNA to go live every week on Monday nights nor to take Impact on the road.
These decisions burned through TNA's cash, but what really killed TNA was loosing the Spike TV deal, again thanks to Dixie Carter outright lieing to SpikeTV over Russo's involvement with the product.
Modern day TNA is run by some good people but without a solid TV deal it is a glorified indy promotion getting about 200,000 views per week on an Outdoor Sports network no one has ever heard of.
The people behind AEW have more money than even Vince McMahon, so I can see the TV deal and the production values of their shows. What's impressive to me though is how easily they're selling tickets. TNA put on some good shows back in the day but never had this kind of momentum.
It took until late 2006 to early 2007 (in part due to the death of Jarrett's first wife) for them to finally develop a product that wasn't centered around him.
That said, Dixie Carter was a horrible owner who had no idea what she was doing. Vince Russo should've been kept far away from the product. Bischoff and Hogan weren't so bad. Honestly 2011-2013 TNA felt a resurgence of sorts for the product, but there were dumb decisions made there too. There was never any reason for TNA to go live every week on Monday nights nor to take Impact on the road.
These decisions burned through TNA's cash, but what really killed TNA was loosing the Spike TV deal, again thanks to Dixie Carter outright lieing to SpikeTV over Russo's involvement with the product.
Modern day TNA is run by some good people but without a solid TV deal it is a glorified indy promotion getting about 200,000 views per week on an Outdoor Sports network no one has ever heard of.
The people behind AEW have more money than even Vince McMahon, so I can see the TV deal and the production values of their shows. What's impressive to me though is how easily they're selling tickets. TNA put on some good shows back in the day but never had this kind of momentum.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:54 am to Brosef Stalin
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JR and Schiavone working together doesn't make sense. They are both play by play announcers, you don't need two of those guys. Bringing in Schiavone this late leads me to believe he is not announcing anyway. They already have a backstage interviewer so I don't know what Schiavone's job will be.
JR did some color back in the early WCW days. I don't know what Schiavone's role will be either. Just throwing that out there.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 10:54 am to BulldogXero
Dixie being fricking retarded and running the company for her own amusement was a huge problem.
Bringing in a bunch of Survivor alums and paying them was stupid. At least Johnny Fairplay used to be a wrestler and Roddy Piper’s gopher, but they also brought in other former contestants and paid them a lot while their women’s champ was working her off days at Sunglass Hut to make ends meet.
Bringing in a bunch of Survivor alums and paying them was stupid. At least Johnny Fairplay used to be a wrestler and Roddy Piper’s gopher, but they also brought in other former contestants and paid them a lot while their women’s champ was working her off days at Sunglass Hut to make ends meet.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:01 am to teke184
I just don't want AEW to grow too fast and flame out. I stopped watching WWE about three years ago, because I realized that the product was literally getting worse with every passing year.
They have so much talent spread across Raw, Smackdown, and NXT, but they have no standout stars. The corporate, overly scripted nature of the product means everyone sounds exactly the same on the mic, and all the matches are in your typically slow, plodding WWE kick/punch style. The wrestlers they do try to push by and large are pushed in spite of the fans (ie Roman Reigns, Charlotte Flair), and wrestlers who try to build fan support on their own are subsequently burried.
When I watched AEW, I was treated to a product that felt like wrestling I hadn't watched in a long time. You have guys going out there doing things that you just won't see in a WWE ring.
That said, I have no idea what the booking is going to be like or what the angles will be, but from what I've heard, I trust that it will be an in-ring focused product which I immensely appreciate.
They have so much talent spread across Raw, Smackdown, and NXT, but they have no standout stars. The corporate, overly scripted nature of the product means everyone sounds exactly the same on the mic, and all the matches are in your typically slow, plodding WWE kick/punch style. The wrestlers they do try to push by and large are pushed in spite of the fans (ie Roman Reigns, Charlotte Flair), and wrestlers who try to build fan support on their own are subsequently burried.
When I watched AEW, I was treated to a product that felt like wrestling I hadn't watched in a long time. You have guys going out there doing things that you just won't see in a WWE ring.
That said, I have no idea what the booking is going to be like or what the angles will be, but from what I've heard, I trust that it will be an in-ring focused product which I immensely appreciate.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:36 am to BulldogXero
Schiavone is actually a talented sports broadcaster. His work with the Gwinnett Braves/Stripers and local radio here in Gwinnett county has been fine. Just keep him away from pro wrestling.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:44 am to ZIGG
quote:calm down snowflake
For AEW to be successful on a mainstream level they’re going to need to stop with the SJW crap and cater to a mainstream audience.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:50 am to BulldogXero
quote:The AEW shows encouraged me to check out the G1 Climax when Jon Moxley announced he'd be in it. Between that and what AEW's shown so far, I feel like I'm rediscovering wrestling all over again.
When I watched AEW, I was treated to a product that felt like wrestling I hadn't watched in a long time. You have guys going out there doing things that you just won't see in a WWE ring.
That said, I have no idea what the booking is going to be like or what the angles will be, but from what I've heard, I trust that it will be an in-ring focused product which I immensely appreciate.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:54 am to Harry Caray
NJPW has a lot of talented wrestlers. Its like an entirely different universe from WWE.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 11:58 am to Harry Caray
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For AEW to be successful on a mainstream level they’re going to need to stop with the SJW crap and cater to a mainstream audience.
calm down snowflake
He has a point. Wrestling fans are primarily straight and male. They want to see masculine dudes beating the shite out of each other and hot females. They want the crowd favorites to be more like themselves and they want the heels to be as different from themselves as possible.
It's not a difficult formula.
If a wrestling promotion is seriously trying to push a tranny as a major face, they are going to fail due to going completely against the formula I outlined above (ie: not knowing your audience).
This post was edited on 8/20/19 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 8/20/19 at 12:59 pm to Bard
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If a wrestling promotion is seriously trying to push a tranny as a major face, they are going to fail due to going completely against the formula I outlined above (ie" not knowing your audience).
It's fake fighting. As long as they're not constantly shoving her orientation in my face, I could care less.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 1:16 pm to Brosef Stalin
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NJPW has a lot of talented wrestlers. Its like an entirely different universe from WWE.
It is.
NJPW has had at least a dozen 5-star matches per Metzler this year, WWE hasn't had that many this entire decade (and all but one of those was NXT).
Posted on 8/20/19 at 1:17 pm to BulldogXero
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You have guys going out there doing things that you just won't see in a WWE ring.
That's true. Even WWE wasn't ready for the King of Sloth Style, Freshly Squeezed Orange Cassidy.
Posted on 8/20/19 at 2:36 pm to Brosef Stalin
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They have only had one real ppv, the others were free. It did a little under 100,000 buys. Its a decent start but the real measuring stick will be to see how well they're doing in six months or a year.
What makes it harder for them is that WWE, with the network, has made paying $60 for a PPV a thing of the past. Assuming they priced their PPV’s like that, you are looking at an “alternative” that costs 3x as much as WWE per year, and that’s only if they did 6 PPV’s a year.
I’m skeptical of the long term buy in of anyone but the real hardcore fans. But, then again, there were people out there that paid for TNA PPV’s.
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