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re: “Renters don’t pay property taxes”

Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:23 pm to
Posted by TaderSalad
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:23 pm to
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Property taxes are an expense of the building owner. Just like some of your rent payment is covering maintenance or the mortgage, some of it absolutely is covering the property taxes.



Renters should not be allowed to vote for property tax increases. Period.

You clearly rent, and have no business voting to increase a tax burden on someone who is competent enough to have good credit and own a house.
Posted by WestCoastAg
Member since Oct 2012
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:24 pm to
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Renters should not be allowed to vote for property tax increases. Period.

then property owners shouldn't pass their taxes onto their renters
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:25 pm to
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This is a bad take

Renters don't pay property taxes. They pay a market rate to rent a property.


Which includes property taxes. If property taxes go up, rents go up.

Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:27 pm to
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then property owners shouldn't pass their taxes onto their renters


Residential renters are lucky that triple net leases are only a commercial thing
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:29 pm to
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If property taxes go up, rents go up.



Not if you are locked into a lease. I can't raise my rates mid-lease. Maybe I should put that into my new lease agreements

The tenant can just jump to a cheaper place when their renewal time comes



Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
64355 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:29 pm to
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Renters should not be allowed to vote for property tax increases. Period.


The Supreme Court already weighed in on this question back in 1969, and they disagreed with you, fwiw.
Posted by yellowfin
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:31 pm to
This is what’s bothering you on a Sunday afternoon?


Have a cocktail and relax
Posted by Mung
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:32 pm to
Damn bro, are you a slumlord?
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:36 pm to
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Damn bro, are you a slumlord?


No.

I own some rentals but only have one house in a questionable area. I owner-financed it for someone so it's not even really a rental.

My neighbor owns 4 on Section 8, and he has headaches I would never deal with.
Posted by Bjorn Cyborg
Member since Sep 2016
36083 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:36 pm to
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Not if you are locked into a lease. I can't raise my rates mid-lease. Maybe I should put that into my new lease agreements



Depends on the lease. Many leases have property tax escalators, especially commercial leases.

Maybe you should add it.

Also, residential leases are generally for a year, so the overlap should be short

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The tenant can just jump to a cheaper place when their renewal time comes




Are they going to move to a parallel universe where the property taxes did not go up?

Any competitor that doesn’t raise rents to match market conditions won’t be around long

This post was edited on 6/28/26 at 3:38 pm
Posted by stout
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:42 pm to
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Many leases have property tax escalators, especially commercial leases.



No, that is not at all common in residential leases.

In commercial leases, it depends on the structure. If it is a true NNN lease, a separate tax escalator usually is not needed because the tenant already pays property taxes, insurance, and operating expenses. But if it is a gross or modified gross lease, then yes, escalation or pass-through language is commonly used

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Are they going to move to a parallel universe where the property taxes did not go up?

Any competitor that doesn’t raise rents to match market conditions won’t be around long



They can move to a smaller place, one with a longer commute, take on a roommate, etc. Again, renters only have to consider short-term and don't really care about millage increases.
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:48 pm to
Also, 11% of renter households (5.1 million) receive federal rental housing assistance. Do you think those people at all care about increased millage rates?

BTW, that number increases to 12.8% when you add in state or charity rental assistance programs
Posted by GeauxPack81
Member since Dec 2009
10576 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 3:57 pm to
Stout bringing facts to the discussion.

Do people actually think just because property taxes go uo they can just magically charge more and renters will pay more? It doesnt work that way. The market is way more efficient. Rents are a function of supply and demand for housing, not a function of the owners operating expenses.
Posted by cgrand
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Member since Oct 2009
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:02 pm to
renters don’t pay property taxes
Posted by Zappas Stache
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Member since Apr 2009
43239 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:02 pm to
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some of it absolutely is covering the property taxes.


Yes but landlords can only charge what the market bares. I own rental property and what I can charge has not kept up with property tax and insurance increases. I am pocketing much less than I was 6 years ago.
Posted by nola tiger lsu
Member since Nov 2007
7455 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:06 pm to
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. I am pocketing much less than I was 6 years ago.


Oh no!
Posted by Sun God
Member since Jul 2009
52338 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:10 pm to
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stout

I can’t afford another 45 bucks a month man
Posted by stout
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Member since Sep 2006
183527 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:14 pm to
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Oh no!



You sound like the idiot socialists with the same flawed thinking behind rent freezes in places like NYC and their failed understanding of free and fair markets.

Even Zappa, who is very left-wing, seems to understand basic market dynamics and the role small landlords play in housing supply.

Unless you want government-run slums everywhere or massive institutional landlords like Blackstone, Kairos Living, or BlackRock, you should want small landlords to remain financially viable.
Posted by Red Stick Tigress
Tiger Stadium
Member since Nov 2005
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Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:16 pm to
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what the market bares


Bears. Bare means naked.
Posted by stout
Porte du Lafitte
Member since Sep 2006
183527 posts
Posted on 6/28/26 at 4:17 pm to
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I can’t afford another 45 bucks a month man


Then stop voting to renew those “temporary” increases that were only supposed to last 10 years and fund a very specific project, but the city keeps putting them back on the ballot for their third or fourth renewal because the government is a bad steward of money.
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