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re: Religious Propaganda and Children
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:13 pm to The Third Leg
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:13 pm to The Third Leg
Religion has had a tremendous impact on culture. My children will learn a significant amount about all of the world's major religions, and likely get a survey of the minor ones. To ignore religion is to ignore culture.
And I say that as an agnostic atheist who has no interest in my future children being gnostic theists.
And I say that as an agnostic atheist who has no interest in my future children being gnostic theists.
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Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:14 pm to Salmon
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would you be a murderer without God?
No, you’d be a killer...much like a lion that kills its prey.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:15 pm to Salmon
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would you be a murderer without God?
Plenty of people do. There are about 15,000 murders a year in the United States.
There are countless atrocities committed throughout the world in the absence of God.
Have you ever studied morally relativistic communist revolutions?
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it isn't hard to discern good vs bad in the absence of a god
Ok. I’ll ask you again. How?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:17 pm to Breesus
Strong showing today from the theists! Love it!
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:20 pm to Breesus
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What did you teach them is the ultimate truth?
He said they're both under 5....
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Without God, where do you derive moral authority? How do you discern good and evil?
Religion or a deity are not required for either of these.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:22 pm to Breesus
There is no moral authority. I teach them to treat all people with dignity and respect, and that they deserve reciprocation.
Morality is quite an easy concept for anyone that has experienced the full range of human emotion—this builds empathy, which is a relatively good compass for morality.
Morality is quite an easy concept for anyone that has experienced the full range of human emotion—this builds empathy, which is a relatively good compass for morality.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:23 pm to Green Chili Tiger
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He said they're both under 5....
OK? I have two children under 5.
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Religion or a deity are not required for either of these.
OK. What is required? How do you establish right and wrong without a universal truth?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:23 pm to The Third Leg
The Third Leg:
The hard truth is (haha) there are only two options.
An impersonal world that is guided by chance and is composed of only random matter (including you and your child). By rule, anything goes in this universe.
Or, a deeply personal world created by an immaterial and unchanging God who commands that you believe in him so that you’ll understand your purpose (Glorifying our creator leads to personal satisfaction).
The hard truth is (haha) there are only two options.
An impersonal world that is guided by chance and is composed of only random matter (including you and your child). By rule, anything goes in this universe.
Or, a deeply personal world created by an immaterial and unchanging God who commands that you believe in him so that you’ll understand your purpose (Glorifying our creator leads to personal satisfaction).
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:30 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:25 pm to Pettifogger
I will be held accountable by my Lord for what I teach and instruct my kid so yes, I raise them in the Christian faith. They will still have to accept it as their own when they are old enough, but my responsibility is to raise them in the truth.
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:25 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:26 pm to The Third Leg
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Why are you relying on films and children’s books to teach your children about religion?
quote:The Bible says you are head of the house, you lead the family. What does a lazy wife have to do with how you choose to team your children?
I’m not, my wife is. And it is because she is being lazy about it.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:27 pm to The Third Leg
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There is no moral authority. I teach them to treat all people with dignity and respect, and that they deserve reciprocation.
If someone does not reciprocate dignity and respect can you then stop treating them that way?
There is no moral authority? Then where do morals come from? And why is your teaching about respect more correct than someone who teaches the biggest and strongest can do what they want?
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Morality is quite an easy concept for anyone that has experienced the full range of human emotion
Humans are capable of unspeakable atrocities because of extreme emotional responses and a lack of belief in God.
Without God, someone explain to me how there is a right and wrong? Without God there is simply moral Relativism. What you say goes because you said it.
Sure, some will be what we call "moral" but some will not. And without God how are you able to judge their decisions and any more or less legitimate as your own?
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:31 pm
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:27 pm to The Third Leg
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There is no moral authority. I teach them to treat all people with dignity and respect, and that they deserve reciprocation.
Morality is quite an easy concept for anyone that has experienced the full range of human emotion—this builds empathy, which is a relatively good compass for morality.
There's a reason areligious people are bemoaning the decline of religion right now. For many, that void will be filled and right now it's not being filled with something desirable for liberal, pluralistic society.
I don't think you're doing anything particularly wrong, but I do object to the idea that these concepts (morality, empathy), etc. will be easily transferred and take deep roots in an increasingly disconnected, jaded, polarized and post-truth world.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:28 pm to The Third Leg
quote:That's cool.
There is no moral authority. I teach them to treat all people with dignity and respect, and that they deserve reciprocation.
Imagine it's 1888 and one of your children is now eight years old. A nearby businessman doesn't care much for dignity and respect so he kidnaps your child and makes them work in a factory so that he can earn more profits.
Guess what. You can't tell him he's wrong. You just said so.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:29 pm to Breesus
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Plenty of people do. There are about 15,000 murders a year in the United States.
There are countless atrocities committed throughout the world in the absence of God.
Ok.
but I asked that about you specifically?
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Ok. I’ll ask you again. How?
Is "be kind to others" strictly a religious principle?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:30 pm to Pettifogger
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Pettifogger
Good perspective.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:32 pm to Salmon
quote:Fortunately no. Thankfully, we are all made in the image of God and his Spirit is thought to be a restrainer of evil in the world.
Is "be kind to others" strictly a religious principle?
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:33 pm to Pettifogger
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There's a reason areligious people are bemoaning the decline of religion right now. For many, that void will be filled and right now it's not being filled with something desirable for liberal, pluralistic society.
I don't think you're doing anything particularly wrong, but I do object to the idea that these concepts (morality, empathy), etc. will be easily transferred and take deep roots in an increasingly disconnected, jaded, polarized and post-truth world.
I agree with this 100%
Many people need religion or some form of guidance in their lives
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:36 pm to bayoubengals88
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magine it's 1888 and one of your children is now eight years old. A nearby businessman doesn't care much for dignity and respect so he kidnaps your child and makes them work in a factory so that he can earn more profits.
Guess what. You can't tell him he's wrong. You just said so.
its kinda funny that you just illustrated how no moral authority exists and how morality evolves
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:38 pm to bayoubengals88
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Imagine it's 1888 and one of your children is now eight years old. A nearby businessman doesn't care much for dignity and respect so he kidnaps your child and makes them work in a factory so that he can earn more profits.
Since we are time traveling, I will call Doc Brown and have him figure that out.
Posted on 6/23/20 at 2:38 pm to Salmon
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Ok.
but I asked that about you specifically
I don't know if I'd be a murderer. But plenty of people are.
I certainly would've made different choices in life without a belief in God.
I cannot explain faith to you. And I am not trying to. I am not attempting a gotcha argument.
Faith is a deeply personal thing. And I am not asking you to have faith in a manmade religious institution. Jesus himself spent most of his life railing against the powerful man controlled institutions, governments, and Moral Relativism. He was murdered for it.
But if you honestly and earnestly reach out to God, he will reach back to you. And you will understand your purpose and your life. And that feeling is something I cannot describe but I pray everyone can experience. I absolutely know God exists. You don't have to believe me.
God loves you. Even if you do not love him. He loves you. There is not one single draw back to a life devoted to God. Unless you view the lack of moral Relativism as a drawback. And though you will stumble and make mistakes, God will be there to forgive you.
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Is "be kind to others" strictly a religious principle?
How do you define kind without universal truth?
I am honestly curious. How do you define good and evil?
This post was edited on 6/23/20 at 2:41 pm
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