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re: Realistic job expectations
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:16 am to Gaston
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:16 am to Gaston
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He couldn't pass that shite anyway.
After going to SUBR for 2 years, I think it is safe to say that the majority of our engineers could not pass the FE.
It is not that the FE isnt pushed (we have seminars about it) but the rigor of the curriculum is not at the level of LSU or most state universities.
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Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:20 am to volod
I'm saying that because you didn't take the coursework, not because of where you went.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:31 am to Gaston
I recognize that I didnt take the coursework. If need be by an employer, I will go back to SUBR and take the coursework to complete the BSEE.
But look at it from my point of view for just a second. I absolutely know that if I went to SUBR instead of Tech, I would have received the BSEE. There is just no comparison in rigor, the few undergrad classes I took were a joke, Gaston.
But I get what your coming from, the examiners have to equal. And some jobs just dont want a liability.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:37 am to Gaston
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Key word under work experience...research. Um, yea.
That works both ways. I have spoken to enough CS and engineering grads to know that all office job work is not very rigorous.
Some jobs require alot of technical aptitude, but you may be surprised how many jobs simply require you to input basic data or boil down to glorified customer service provider.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:45 am to volod
If you like programming you should try to get into automation.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:55 am to volod
I was saying it's not work. I didn't put my research under work experience.
Look man, I have an undergrad physics and masters EE, and I've been in the work force for 16 years...I know what it is to be on the outside of design engineering jobs. I've done it all it seems. It's tough, I'm not going to lie. Right now I'm working two weeks stints away from my family, but...but nothing, it's good work. I'm a mechanical engineer now, but I've been a systems, project, reliability...you name it engineer. Literally, good luck.
Look man, I have an undergrad physics and masters EE, and I've been in the work force for 16 years...I know what it is to be on the outside of design engineering jobs. I've done it all it seems. It's tough, I'm not going to lie. Right now I'm working two weeks stints away from my family, but...but nothing, it's good work. I'm a mechanical engineer now, but I've been a systems, project, reliability...you name it engineer. Literally, good luck.
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 8:57 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 8:56 am to volod
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With that said, how does one know what he is worth. How do you know if you are being paid reasonably for a job.
What you want is meaningless. You are worth what the free market determines you are worth. Whatever someone offers to pay you is what you are worth.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:13 am to Gaston
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Look man, I have an undergrad physics and masters EE, and I've been in the work force for 16 years
WOW. I had no idea you had a mixed background. So many people are either
a)pure engineers
b)pure scientists (either applied or PhD)
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..I know what it is to be on the outside of design engineering jobs. I've done it all it seems.
Yeah, so you know how tough it is to convince people when you dont have that BS in engineering. There are ALOT of jobs that ask for a BS in engineering but do not require design skills at all (essentially most STEM majors could do it)
I know life is not fair, but it does upset me knowing if I had went to SU instead i would probably be where I wanted to be. Yet everyone (including you) say SUBR was not the best choice.
But that said, I have a newfound respect for you. Thank You
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 9:14 am
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:15 am to volod
This post was edited on 6/4/16 at 5:15 pm
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:37 am to volod
Negotiate?
Didn't you just graduate?
You have zero leverage.
You need to be able to bring up concrete examples why you are an asset worth $$$ in order to negotiate.
For your first "career" job, you find one that you think gives you a good opportunity to develop/showcase your abilities, and you are thankful when that job gives you an offer letter.
Don't lose it trying to needle more money. That comes later.
Didn't you just graduate?
You have zero leverage.
You need to be able to bring up concrete examples why you are an asset worth $$$ in order to negotiate.
For your first "career" job, you find one that you think gives you a good opportunity to develop/showcase your abilities, and you are thankful when that job gives you an offer letter.
Don't lose it trying to needle more money. That comes later.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 9:56 am to Volvagia
But whats the point of high starting salary if you have to work an additional 2 to 3 years before earning it.
That would mean that, ostensibly, engineering is no different than any other profession.
One of the reasons I didnt pursue anymore physics/science degrees is because engineering would provide a better job and better pay. I even switched schools so that I would have a better chance at being an engineer. I put in the time, so is it wrong for me to expect the general amount.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:02 am to volod
How are you going to make a company money? That's what it comes down to. Undergrad engineers are trained to work day one, running ANSYS or AUTOPIPE or some other program they can use to document some part of a big project. They get big $ for the project and hence they are worth their $70k salary. If you can't make a company money then it's tough.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:07 am to Gaston
OK, I can do that stuff too.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:23 am to volod
They won't hire you for that, that's what I'm saying. I live it. I have to prove everyday that I can do projects that degreed mechanical engineers can't do. I have to be smarter than them or I don't have a job. I literally get the projects that they can't do, those are the only scraps you'll find if you want to be an engineer. I love it though, wouldn't change it for anything.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:24 am to volod
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I'm willing to negotiate, but I have standards.
Oh you have standards huh? Doesn't matter if you have everything that's required for that type of position or not, right? At least we know one thing you learned at Southern.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:34 am to volod
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I even switched schools so that I would have a better chance at being an engineer
You said you switched schools because the courses were too tough at Tech.
You have 2 years of experience? Like having a full time job in the field or 2 years of grad school at Southern?
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:39 am to volod
Go on an interview for the job you want. If you can't get an interview or get shamed on the interview figure out how to fix yourself.
Posted on 6/4/16 at 10:50 am to volod
Your value to them is a function of the value you create for them...period. I think it's reasonable to create near a 5xvalue multiple for your salary in a professional/industrial setting. For instance if you create 250k of value a year then a salary of 50k is reasonable. 500k return should start with a 100k salary investment.
The question is....at the location that you are applying, how much value can you realistically return by your second year? The first year you and your employer are making a leap. You are going to work for them on faith and they are paying you on faith.
If the value you can return is less than 5x of 72k then you're too high for that employer.
YMMV
The question is....at the location that you are applying, how much value can you realistically return by your second year? The first year you and your employer are making a leap. You are going to work for them on faith and they are paying you on faith.
If the value you can return is less than 5x of 72k then you're too high for that employer.
YMMV
Posted on 6/4/16 at 11:26 am to volod
You should apply to be Southern's new mascot. You clearly have loads of school pride since you cant go 3 posts without reminding everyone that you graduated from SUBR
Posted on 6/4/16 at 12:04 pm to volod
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how does one know what he is worth. How do you know if you are being paid reasonably for a job.
one is worth exactly what the market will pay...so, it is basically up to you to maximize what the market will pay for your skill sets and abilities.
I can tell you, that in this job market, it is unlikely that you could command 70K with no experience.
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