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re: Rape suspect among 100s of arrestees freed (N.O.)from jail with help from mayor’s aide
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:23 pm to blackinthesaddle
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:23 pm to blackinthesaddle
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A kid with a felony charge for possession of a few hits of acid
WTF logic is this?!?!...this is 1% of the arrests at VooDoo!
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:25 pm to Packer
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Jennifer Schnidman is a teacher in New Orleans East so there is a good chance this happens
I am willing to bet that the people she is "helping" tell their comrades to leave her alone.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:25 pm to BowDownToLSU
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an organization that pays the full cash bail of arrested suspects who can’t afford to pay for their own release.
If it's a victimless crime they shouldn't have been arrested in the first place. If it's a violent crime then bail shouldn't even be a thing.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:28 pm to blackinthesaddle
quote:They've helped plenty of dangerous suspects get out, and had them continue to commit crimes
These beds are for folks who are truly dangerous
quote:Maybe a first-time non-violent offender, but I wouldn't classify a habitual offender or someone with a violent felony as low-risk. Also, plenty of people miss court (it's not accidental). Just like Cannazaro said, this is a get out of jail free card. Bail is to make sure they have skin in the game
Bunton said many suspects – even some booked with felonies – are a low risk to re-offend or miss court, and the community is boosted by allowing them to return to jobs, school or families
quote:So, if they're not letting the bad guys out, wouldn't the crime rate decrease?
When you look at our jail population, it is going down without any appreciable increase in our crime rate
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:28 pm to blackinthesaddle
25000 for a robbery is the problem. Drug offenders get higher bails than this!
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 1:29 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:28 pm to Ed Osteen
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Am I missing something? Why is this a thing?
Cash bail is a ridiculous system, plain and simple.
I'm not advocating for suspects to be released willy nilly, but cash bail isn't the answer.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:30 pm to Ed Osteen
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Am I missing something? Why is this a thing?
This is why...and I have to agree. It will be TLDR for most, so skip to the summary if you must and then go straight to the downvote
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Nationwide, more than 60 percent of jail inmates are jailed pretrial; over 30 percent cannot afford to post bail. Black and Hispanic defendants are much more likely to be held on bail than white defendants. [Criminal Justice Policy Program / Harvard Law School]
Often, those being held on bail have simply been accused of low-level offenses. Seventy-five percent of pretrial detainees have been charged with only drug or property crimes. [Criminal Justice Policy Program / Harvard Law School]
Being jailed pretrial has collateral consequences: It leads to people losing their jobs, not being able to care for their children, and losing contact with loved ones. Holding people in jail who do not pose a significant safety risk also exacerbates overcrowding, creates unsafe conditions, and places a huge financial burden on taxpayers. [The Price of Freedom / Human Rights Watch]
A study out of Kentucky found that people who are held because they cannot afford bail are 40 percent more likely to commit another low-level offense. In other words, jailing people who cannot pay bail is criminogenic. [The Hidden Costs of Pretrial Detention]
We also know that people are more likely to be acquitted if they pay bail, in part because they are less likely to take plea deals just to get out of jail. Being released before trial closely correlates with a not-guilty verdict, suggesting that the system is not punishing the most guilty, but rather the people who cannot afford to pay for their release. [The Atlantic / Bouree Lam] [Pretrial Justice Institute]
One study suggests that those people are “over three times more likely to be sentenced to prison” and “over four times more likely to be sentenced to jail” than those who are not detained pretrial. [Criminal Justice Policy Program / Harvard Law School]
Similarly, a study out of Columbia Law School found “significant evidence of a correlation between pretrial detention and both conviction and recidivism.” [The Heavy Costs of High Bail / Arpit Gupta et al.]
Meanwhile, there are costs to taxpayers as well. Incarcerating individuals awaiting trial costs taxpayers $13.6 billion each year. [Prison Policy Initiative]
There are effective, low-cost ways of ensuring that defendants appear at trial, including a simple notification system that reminds people of their court dates. [Court Appearance Notification System: Evaluation Highlights / Multnomah County]
I was arrested in a bar fight back in 2007 and had to spend the night in jail because some Gump douchbag thought my face needed a slap. It was the night Nick Sabans Alabama team lost to ULM in his first year and we had just beaten Ole Miss and my friends and I stroll into this bar in Mt. Pleasant, SC with our purple and gold on. One of my buddies made a joking comment to the bartender that was wearing a Bama shirt but otherwise we were minding our own business. I go to the bar and order a crown and scanning the bar for ladies and as I turn to my left this skinny little Gump is staring me down, I nod and say "what's up?" and he open hands me across the face! I put him down in about 5 seconds but then his buddies jump me from behind, get me down and start kicking me in the back and head. My 2 buddies finally saw, cleared those d-bags off me and we promptly cleaned house. Point being is cops showed up...everyone points the fingers at everyone else so they load us all up in the paddy wagon and take us to jail. I paid my bail and got out in the morning but one of my buddies sat for a couple days to come up with his. We go to court and the guy that slapped me admitted to starting it and the judge dismissed charges on everyone else and reprimanded the officer for not doing a thorough investigation wasting our and the courts time with people that were just defending themselves.
Moral of the story, I did not deserve to be in jail in the first place and had I been a poor man and unable to afford bail I could have sat there for a couple of months before the court date and meanwhile lost my job, been evicted and then homeless upon being released by the judge for doing nothing wrong. That is the problem with the bail system. Reform is necessary and it is possible sometimes people that are not held may get out and commit another crime. I do not have all the answers but it needs reform and the lobby for the Bail Bond industry is doing all they can to prevent it.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:30 pm to Duckhammer_77
Shame that "law and order" types often claim to be conservatives but then want to lock up hardworking free-market capitalists at Voodoo Fest.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:31 pm to rintintin
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And when these criminals commit other crimes, can the victims hold the "Freedom Fund" accountable?
Can you hold a bail bondsman accountable? I'd imagine the logic is the same.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 1:47 pm to slackster
Perps have to come up with 10%.
If you wanna talk about real problems, talk about how long it takes to go to trial. Most people plead guilty for smaller crimes, because waiting for your day in court could take 6 months
If you wanna talk about real problems, talk about how long it takes to go to trial. Most people plead guilty for smaller crimes, because waiting for your day in court could take 6 months
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:08 pm to BowDownToLSU
I can’t wait for the stories to come out about guys getting arrested multiple time in a single day with basically no bond at all.
And, of course, all this will be perfectly ok because since the guy is poor, it is a second/third/fourth chance for him
And, of course, all this will be perfectly ok because since the guy is poor, it is a second/third/fourth chance for him
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:22 pm to BowDownToLSU
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Rape suspect among 100s of arrestees freed
bad title
getting out on bond doesn't mean the charges are affected
bond is a means to ensure people show up to court. we are innocent until proven guilty and they haven't been proven guilty. if they are showing up to court, why should they be imprisoned prior to their adjudication?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:54 pm to BowDownToLSU
We have a new DA starting soon in St.Louis County, he was an activist and Judge for shithole courts. I see this crap being the norm.
He hasn't taken office and said he would drop or lower cash bonds. Judges told him to watch his actions, only Judges can decide the amount for cash bonds, not the DA. Slow your role.
It's going to be a cluster frick when he takes over.
He hasn't taken office and said he would drop or lower cash bonds. Judges told him to watch his actions, only Judges can decide the amount for cash bonds, not the DA. Slow your role.
It's going to be a cluster frick when he takes over.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 2:58 pm to Packer
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Jennifer Schnidman is a teacher in New Orleans East
Then where the frick did she get $3,500 to post bond for a stranger?
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:36 pm to BowDownToLSU
African governance at its finest is on display in New Orleans.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 3:41 pm to tgrbaitn08
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This post was edited on 12/13/18 at 1:28 am
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:32 pm to SlowFlowPro
quote:flight risk depends on time they might serve. I'm guessing rape conviction would carry a pretty stiff sentence.
why should they be imprisoned prior to their adjudication?
This post was edited on 10/17/18 at 4:34 pm
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:33 pm to BowDownToLSU
quote:I don't understand this objection. The guy already had only $1 bail...what does it matter who paid for it?
“It's extremely disturbing,” District Attorney Leon Cannizzaro said. “And I guess my question is why? Why are you doing this? Think about it. It absolutely is a get-out-of-jail free card.” Aggravated assault suspect Daniel Bonney had a $5,000 bail for aggravated assault reduced to $1. And even at that token amount, Bonney didn’t have to pay. The Freedom Fund paid it for him, records show.
Posted on 10/17/18 at 4:33 pm to Areddishfish
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Then where the frick did she get $3,500 to post bond for a stranger?
the New Orleans Freedom Fund.
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