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re: Quiet Quitting? Well that a new term.

Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:12 pm to
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:12 pm to
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We literally just had a thread where multiple people said they'd fire someone for taking paternity leave. Why would anyone go above and beyond for a company that wants to treat them like that?



Really?

I'd like to read that thread



My new company offers like 6 weeks of paternity and it doesn't have to be taken consecutively. You bet your motherfricking arse I'm taking all 6 weeks.
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:13 pm to
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Wow…. You are better than this bud….. a large majority of people born after 1995 would have a very tough time surviving in the 60’s and 70’s.




You mean when one household income was comfortable living for most Americans?


You mean before all of the manufacturing was sent out of the country?


You mean when anyone with a pulse could get a middle class job without any college education?


I'm sure a lot of people dream of the 60s and 70s employment market and living costs.

This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:14 pm
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:14 pm to
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My new company offers like 6 weeks of paternity and it doesn't have to be taken consecutively. You bet your motherfricking arse I'm taking all 6 weeks.
Wow. You’re a lazy piece of shite who only does the minimum. No wonder you’re a communist loving Biden voter. You’re what’s wrong with our country. You don’t need time off. You’re the man, you work and your woman should stay home and take care of that. You cuck.

/sarcasm
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
Posted by GRTiger
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
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Sure. As long as the ones who are doing more than expected aren't pressuring the ones "only" doing what's expected of them into doing more work.


I'd call that a favor or positive peer pressure, but I'm just an old millennial. I remember trying to mirror the people that seemed like the stars in the company. Now I suppose we are supposed to corral them so as not to offend the others.
Posted by sawtooth
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:18 pm to
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Anyone that pays an unlivable wage


This term right here. You are paid what you are worth.

Don’t like it? Well try harder loser.
Posted by Gravitiger
Member since Jun 2011
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:20 pm to
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show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else
This is a new phenomenon?
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:21 pm to
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Don’t like it? Well try harder loser.
And this is why people are quitting so much now. This attitude is the issue. Not people that want to be paid fairly. You want people to stop quitting? Pay them more or do the work yourself. Those are literally the only solutions.
Posted by Ingeniero
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:23 pm to
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This term right here. You are paid what you are worth.

Don’t like it? Well try harder loser.





This literally made his point for him. If you're doing what you're paid for, that's doing your job. Business wants you to do more? Pay them more.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:24 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:24 pm to
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Companies choke out their employees to squeeze every nickel and dime they can.


You really think that’s new, dumbass?

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Companies don't promote or train anymore. Their first instinct is to bring someone in with the exact same skills as the guy who left.


Why in the frick are y’all so obsessed with someone doing something for you?

Nobody “trained” me. I watched and learned.

This IS the problem. If you want a company to give you more than a paycheck, you will be a quiet quitter. (We could omit quiet.)

If you want to be valuable, make yourself valuable. Then another company wants you.

Jesus. Get your heads out of your asses. Y’all have got the worst case of craniorectal myopia I’ve ever seen.


This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:25 pm
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:26 pm to
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My wife never had to work and stayed home. We also never did without anything. I could comfortable retire at 55 with the money I invested from those turnarounds.


That sucks. I'm on track to retire a lot earlier than that and I don't plan on ever working much more than 45-50 hours in a week.
Posted by GRTiger
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Member since Dec 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:26 pm to
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You'd be wrong. Companies don't promote or train anymore. Their first instinct is to bring someone in with the exact same skills as the guy who left. This is especially true when you see diversity hires pass through. Companies choke out their employees to squeeze every nickel and dime they can. My contribution is only seen in the charts and the bottom line. Companies are not interested in employees growing within the company.



This is either very industry specific or very sour grapes.

I've never seen more investment in development and retention than I'm seeing right now in pretty much every organization I work with. It's way more expensive to replace employees than it is to retain and train from within, so your experience is clearly with immature or inefficient organizations. Or you're just in a high turnover industry, which often is due to the skills and education requirements of the employees.
Posted by JohnnyKilroy
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:30 pm to
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It's way more expensive to replace employees than it is to retain and train from within


Which makes it hilarious when companies deny the outperformer a 10% out of cycle raise and then have to pay 25% more AND take the productivity hit when the outperformer leaves.
Posted by Henry Jones Jr
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:31 pm to
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I've never seen more investment in development and retention than I'm seeing right now in pretty much every organization I work with
They're either lying or investing it in the wrong areas instead of just paying their employees more. Employees don’t want fricking “employee appreciation” days, pizza parties, happy hours or another HR rep to talk to. They want more money in their pocket. Businesses will do everything but pay their employees more. $40,000 starting salary is a joke.
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:32 pm to
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Which makes it hilarious when companies deny the outperformer a 10% out of cycle raise and then have to pay 25% more AND take the productivity hit when the outperformer leaves.


There is a lot of corporate idiocy out there.

But if you are enough of an outperformer to leave, so what?
Posted by WhiteMandingo
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:32 pm to
Os needed or to show initiative to advance and get ahead?
Posted by tiggerthetooth
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:34 pm to
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I've never seen more investment in development and retention than I'm seeing right now in pretty much every organization I work with. It's way more expensive to replace employees than it is to retain and train from within, so your experience is clearly with immature or inefficient organizations. Or you're just in a high turnover industry, which often is due to the skills and education requirements of the employees.




It has to change now. Corporations have no choice, the boomers are retiring and they're taking all of their knowledge with them. That's why you're seeing it change, but those changes still occur more at the top of the corporate ladder. Make no mistake, Corporations loved the power imbalance they've been able to have over the last 3 decades, but the global economy is going to take a dive given demographic trends. The productivity, investment, and consumption goes with the boomers and now comes the painful process of getting Millennials and Gen Z involved to fill the gap the boomers never wanted to be filled.


The US is fortunate the boomers had children to make up the largest cohort in the workforce, otherwise these companies would be screwed.
This post was edited on 8/19/22 at 8:37 pm
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:35 pm to
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$40,000 starting salary is a joke.


Do you produce 60k of value? If not, 40k is overpaying you.

The company has to match your social security, carry insurance on you, pay into unemployment for you, etc, etc.

How much value do you produce? You are worth about 2/3rds of that.
Posted by WavinWilly
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:35 pm to
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those who will show up to work and do the minimum required but not much else.


Wait… is that not what we are supposed to do? What are you guys doing?!
Posted by JudgeHolden
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Member since Jan 2008
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Posted on 8/19/22 at 8:36 pm to
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the boomers are retiring and they're taking all of their knowledge with them


They hire us back as consultants because we learned shite that is worth something.
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