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re: Question for white collar baws
Posted on 10/2/25 at 10:07 am to Narax
Posted on 10/2/25 at 10:07 am to Narax
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Most engineers arent making 100 an hour, thats just a fact.
“Most” (or really close) are making that with benefits ie cost of employment
Which means you have to bill them at at least $175 hour in order for you to make a dime as the owner off of their labor once you factor in your direct nonlabor costs.
Now let’s tie that back to the OP, how do we attract better talent to blue color work. Well the very first thing we have to do is consider the economics. Without considering a single environmental factor and assuming they’d take the same pay (which is untrue), you’d have to bill out your electrician or plumber at $175+ an hour, which ain’t happening
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Posted on 10/2/25 at 10:18 am to Prodigal Son
Think about what electrical devices in your home you pay to repair. Appliances. Hvac. Etc...
Posted on 10/2/25 at 10:24 am to dat yat
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I like my white colar job. I enjoy working with my hands too, but I save the blue collar shite for my free time.
This. I get my blue collar fix working on projects around the house and at my hunting camp. But I get to do it on my own time and on projects I’m picking and choosing.
FWIW I’m an CPA .
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 10:34 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:11 am to Prodigal Son
In most cases, it's barrier to entry. If I could get on with a construction firm, and start building towards being a GC, I'd swap careers tomorrow. But most construction firms would doubt my sincerity.
I'd leave the fake and gay corporate world tomorrow, in exchange for swinging a hammer and locking down punch lists.
I'd leave the fake and gay corporate world tomorrow, in exchange for swinging a hammer and locking down punch lists.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:17 am to Mingo Was His NameO
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“Most” (or really close) are making that with benefits ie cost of employment
Which means you have to bill them at at least $175 hour in order for you to make a dime as the owner off of their labor once you factor in your direct nonlabor costs.
Now let’s tie that back to the OP, how do we attract better talent to blue color work. Well the very first thing we have to do is consider the economics. Without considering a single environmental factor and assuming they’d take the same pay (which is untrue), you’d have to bill out your electrician or plumber at $175+ an hour, which ain’t happening
this 100% this
its like people do not understand the economics
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:19 am to lsu777
There’s also a lot of blue collar annual pay numbers thrown around without comment on how many hours of labor it took to generate that income.
Some white collar worker making 75k working 40 hour weeks isn’t leaving to make 100k pulling 60-80 hour weeks and counting on OT pay.
Some white collar worker making 75k working 40 hour weeks isn’t leaving to make 100k pulling 60-80 hour weeks and counting on OT pay.
This post was edited on 10/2/25 at 11:26 am
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:23 am to Narax
i didnt say they were making 100 an hour, i said when you factor in benefits most are close to that.
i know what the median is. but in the hypothetical the OP mentioned, it would take that to get any engineer to go there and the really good ones that he really would want to work....they do make 100 an hour.
i know what the median is. but in the hypothetical the OP mentioned, it would take that to get any engineer to go there and the really good ones that he really would want to work....they do make 100 an hour.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:24 am to DCtiger1
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There’s also a lot of blue collar annual pay numbers thrown around without comment on how many hours of labor it took to generate that income.
Some blue collar worker making 75k working 40 hour weeks isn’t leaving to make 100k pulling 60-80 hour weeks and counting on OT pay.
exactly in the end its pay per time worked.
and to get people to leave the AC and work in the elements...its gonna take a lot more money to get them to do that.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:24 am to Prodigal Son
I am too soft now
Posted on 10/2/25 at 11:28 am to lsu777
This is just my experience, but most white collar guys I know would actually take less pay for more freedom and ability to have flex schedules and family time.
It seems like most blue collar guys I know take all the over time they can, working themselves to death and missing time with family
It seems like most blue collar guys I know take all the over time they can, working themselves to death and missing time with family
Posted on 10/2/25 at 12:17 pm to lsu777
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why the frick would he do that?
He got laid off
Posted on 10/2/25 at 12:20 pm to Prodigal Son
Where are you located? I'll jump on that. I'm not scared to sweat.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 12:23 pm to Prodigal Son
Not sure if I think the OP is legit, but for entertainment’s sake I’d say hell no to that kind of work.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 12:25 pm to DCtiger1
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This is just my experience, but most white collar guys I know would actually take less pay for more freedom and ability to have flex schedules and family time. It seems like most blue collar guys I know take all the over time they can, working themselves to death and missing time with family
#truth
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:09 pm to Motownsix
I’ve actually had the opposite of the OP, where some blue collar guys making 6 figures ask me how they can get into white collar work because they are tired of the shift work, time away from family and OT.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:14 pm to DCtiger1
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I’ve actually had the opposite of the OP, where some blue collar guys making 6 figures ask me how they can get into white collar work because they are tired of the shift work, time away from family and OT.
you see it in the oilfield all the time
guys leave the $300k field consultant job in order to be home and work straight 40s with benefits
Posted on 10/2/25 at 1:42 pm to DCtiger1
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I’ve actually had the opposite of the OP, where some blue collar guys making 6 figures ask me how they can get into white collar work because they are tired of the shift work, time away from family and OT.
This is me. Mechanic in a plant making right around $50/hr. I'm to the point in my life where spending time with my kids is most important. frick the money. I'd gladly take a pretty good pay cut to never have to work a 16hr shift or a turnaround ever again. Just not sure what to get in to.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 2:05 pm to Prodigal Son
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What would it take for you to take a blue collar job?
Double my salary.
Posted on 10/2/25 at 3:16 pm to onelochevy
Sales
Posted on 10/2/25 at 4:09 pm to HouseMom
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Your chart is just for "industrial" engineers. Search in the box for mechanical and then petroleum. It goes up.
It was an example provided by the previous poster, I had previously mentioned petroleum as a high income group.
Its by job categorization, all the data is there, its really what people get paid.
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