re: Question for white collar baws

You make 500k/yr? Doing what?

I let someone know that I need something electrical done and then the call the electrician at work. That is as close as I want to be to an electrician at work. At home, I'll play electrician, plumber, carpenter etc. etc. but I know I am only doing this for myself and I don't have to do it any more if I don't want to.

To see 100k a year on a 40 hour work week for an electrician you would need to double the cost of everything else because inflation would be kicking our arse way more than it is now.

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but no white collar dude is doing back to blue collar.

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There are a few but most are burnouts and that is not necessarily bad if they still have there mind. Most burnouts are just products of tired of doing what they are doing in a bad work environment.

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What would it take for you to take a blue collar job? I’m not talking about digging ditches (solely- but let’s say it’s part of the job description). I mean electrician, plumber, HVAC, etc. I don’t expect doctors, lawyers and engineers to seriously consider this (but some might).

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I think you could get a lot of Associates Degree Electrical Engineers to move into Electrician/HVAC.

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The reason I ask, is because I’m tired of dealing with retards and drug addicts. I want to know what it would take to get more people of at least average intelligence to consider sweating it out with me vs sitting in an air conditioned office.

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The jobs for non 4 year degrees are kinda iffy, and they are a pretty bright bunch.
A lot of them wind up in drafting, doing designs for big building HVAC systems anyway.

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I will likely agree with most demands, as I believe that a good electrician should make $100k/yr on a 40hr work week. Insurance and 401k as well.

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I think you could get a Fresh out of mid ranked 4 year state school grad for $80k, then up him to $100k in a few years.

But I think you'd be better off going for Associate Degree Electrical, you can get them cheaper and they will be much more loyal.
Still plenty sharp.

Top school grads start $140k+, but it's not worth chasing them anyway.

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What do we need to do to make this dream a reality? The obvious answer is to cut the workforce and therefore increase demand by making the barrier to entry more difficult. I’ve been on many jobs (cost plus) where we would have 5 guys on a 2- man job, and 10 guys on a 5-man job, so forth and so on. So I know we can do more work with less people- and therefore charge and pay more per man hour. We just have to figure out what to do with the retards and drug addicts.

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I think you are already there, I bet you could pick up a bunch of them at community colleges by just calling the department and making nice with them.

For engineering more years in college is more polishing.

The Gem is obvious after 2 years, but it may take some more polishing.

The type of person you’re looking for will have a lot more earning potential on the white collar side because they are self starters. The white collar baws you’d attract based on 100k are lazy fricks that are happy inside making less

Narax- I freaking love you man. Your post is EXACTLY the kind of feedback I was looking for. Totally worth wading through the “look how much money I make” posts from people who probably don’t (or really just are the super bored top 2% of earners )

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The type of person you’re looking for will have a lot more earning potential on the white collar side because they are self starters. The white collar baws you’d attract based on 100k are lazy fricks that are happy inside making less

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I only disagree with the idea that that’s who I’m looking for. I’m not. I’m looking for ways to improve the trade to attract the best. I want less electricians, at much higher pay, because they can do the work of what we currently pay for two electricians.

Most people don’t see what’s happening to the trades. They think you can just keep putting retards and drug addicts in, and a few smart guys will figure out how to make it work. The brainpower is leaving. Whereas 30 years ago, electricians grew on trees- today , no one wants to take up that mantle. I want to help to fix that.

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The type of person you’re looking for will have a lot more earning potential on the white collar side because they are self starters

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Agreed. How do we fix that?

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But many would gladly sweat it out for the same compensation if it meant not having to deal with the typical corporate bs

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I don’t know man… having a nice white collar gig is pretty sweet.

As long as you don’t let yourself become fat, your body is usually in pretty good condition when you get older. All the older blue collar guys I know have issues. Backs, knees, shoulder, etc

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As long as you don’t let yourself become fat

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Good luck with that. I’m in my mid-late 49’s and still have a six pack, 32” waist at 6’1” 190 without going to the gym. At all. My job is my gym.

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All the older blue collar guys I know have issues. Backs, knees, shoulder, etc

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I have 5 best friends. All are white collar. I’m by far the most fit. I do admit that I am an anomaly, but they are in worse shape than most blue collar baws I know of similar age. Really a non factor though, as I think it’s more about individual genetics and lifestyle than work. Eat less move around more.