re: Protestors pulled down a Confederate statue in Durham

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I don't know, what will all the poor white trash republicans look up to once the statues of their heroes are gone?

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Hopefully, still, their biological fathers.

I'm down for the history of things. I might be bias on the fact that some of that history is due to a time period in the US where "we" fought each other and hate (or in actuality the inequality and injustice of a minority race) was involved.

I don't expect those who are not African American, or even a minority, to fully understand how something that was roughly 150 years ago was a negative part in American/United States history. Nor how that something left a sour taste for some. It's easy to be on the outside looking in and not understanding, especially when you nor I nor the next person lived during that time frame. It's probably even easier when the race and subject(s) and issue(s) at hand back during the civil (1861-1865) didn't pertain to your race.

Should they have pulled them down, no. Should've at least gone through the right channels and through voting or however it is done. In all honesty, there are those who are history buffs whom i can understand and cope with in why these monuments need to remain, or if anything be placed in a museum. But do i care if they get pulled down, no.

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Should they have pulled them down, no. Should've at least gone through the right channels and through voting or however it is done. In all honesty, there are those who are history buffs whom i can understand and cope with in why these monuments need to remain, or if anything be placed in a museum. But do i care if they get pulled down, no.

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Fair response. Much more thought out than your last post.


I think the issue that I have is that we have morphed these statues and monuments into something that was not their original intent. By doing so, we have deemed them some sort of existential threat that needs to be eliminated in the name of tolerance. It sounds somewhat logical in theory but the truth is that eliminating a statue won't bring anyone together. In fact, it has the opposite effect. I would prefer that we contextualize these monuments and, if it's not enough, erect perhaps other monuments to contextualize the opposing side as well. I've seen a few different plantations that have displays on slavery that do a good job of explaining the role it played in the plantation as well as the obvious errors of their ways.

It's the fact that these people are forcibly eliminating one side that they may not fully understand. I would prefer both sides be presented equally. I think it's important to understand that many of these statues and memorials are a response for the south's destruction, humiliation, and manipulation for decades after the war. They paid their dues and just wanted a little honor in their crushing military and economic defeat.

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I nor the next person lived during that time frame. It's probably even easier when the race and subject(s) and issue(s) at hand back during the civil (1861-1865) didn't pertain to your race.

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While you absolutely have the right to that opinion, it is a bit of a fallacy. Sherman and Grant both had slaves throughout the war. Lee freed his, which were inherited, not bought in 1862. Also, slavery existed in the Union after the war. Yes, after the war the Northern states still had slavery. History has been whitewashed and the victor given the spoils but equating the confederacy and solely the confederacy to slavery is an utter fallacy.

Many of the generals and generic confederate soldier statues were erected in honor of the Rebel spirit and perseverance and love for one's state and home. The majority of these men did not own slaves. The one's who could afford slaves could afford the taxes to keep themselves and their sons away from the battlefield. These young men fought an invading army that had broken treaties with them. These men fought outsiders who were condemned by several countries following the war for war crimes committed. They fought and died not for slavery but against a tyrannical government who sought to destroy them simply because the states used their constitutional power to secede, and this was going to hurt textiles and industries in the North. Then following the war backroom deals were done and rich men from the North basically stole land as "spoils of war" for political favors.

Were the men who erected them Civil Rights activists? No, most were erected far before that time. Does everyone who looks upon the statue with pride feel so because of what those men sacrificed and gave? No, there are still racists pricks amongst the civilized. People view things how they view them, and that's fine. That being said view how you wish, but don't infer the meaning upon others who may just know more about the history than you.

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several others began kicking it.

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people who kick statues get to vote...so depressing.

It should be called to a vote for removal. We should not be bowing down to the butthurt snowflakes because it hurts their feelings. If the people of said state want it taken down, then so be it. But, we should not have to get rid of shite because some fuktard in another state gets into their fee fees and wants to get likes on social media. This is a democracy after all, or so I was lead to believe.

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Soros


The boogeyman!

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No, that would be the Koch Bros.

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The irony of the unite the right protest in Virginia, is that it more than likely only sped up the process of the removal of confederate statues

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Or the final recognition of Antifa as a domestic terrorist group

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It's the fact that these people are forcibly eliminating one side that they may not fully understand. I would prefer both sides be presented equally. I think it's important to understand that many of these statues and memorials are a response for the south's destruction, humiliation, and manipulation for decades after the war. They paid their dues and just wanted a little honor in their crushing military and economic defeat.

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Only in America are people offended by the other side honoring their war dead, which is the main reason these statues were put up, as a remembrance.

These morons don't want you to remember your past or heritage, they want to bulldoze it. They are quite literally the New Reconstructionists. (Not that they think of themselves in those terms, because they know nothing about Reconstruction or history.) They don't want justice, they want vengeance, for something they don't understand and never experienced themselves. It is all about their feelings and nothing else.

They like to think they are warriors for social justice, but they are in reality just emotional, angry anarchists looking for something to complain about.