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Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:29 pm to lsucoonass
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There is in fact a manly and legitimate passion for equality that spurs all men to wish to be strong and esteemed. This passion tends to elevate the lesser to the rank of the greater. But one also finds in the human heart a depraved taste for equality, which impels the weak to want to bring the strong down to their level, and which reduces men to preferring equality in servitude to inequality in freedom.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:31 pm to Speys and Tays
quote:This is true.
Women have been in combat scenarios for years in both Russia and Israel with great effectiveness
Hmmm...
Israel is very effective with their female soldiers. Maybe we can use their requirements.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:32 pm to lsucoonass
Lowering standards so women can pass them is dumb.
Setting standards higher or lower based on real life observations, physical evidence, and educated assessment is not only acceptable but should be required.
Nearly everything in life can be quantified with science and mathematics. Apply the science and math and if the outcomes change the standards so be it.
Setting standards higher or lower based on real life observations, physical evidence, and educated assessment is not only acceptable but should be required.
Nearly everything in life can be quantified with science and mathematics. Apply the science and math and if the outcomes change the standards so be it.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:34 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
We're screwed.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:34 pm to SabiDojo
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Gen. Dempsey laid down the law this way: “If we do decide that a particular standard is so high that a woman couldn’t make it, the burden is now on the service to come back and explain to the secretary, why is it that high? Does it really have to be that high?"
This isn't that big a deal. Dempsey is reading from the script KNOWING that the Marines will say the standards are high because of the ops tempo and their mission and if a woman can meet those standards fine, if not get back in the kitchen and start making the sammiches.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:35 pm to Speys and Tays
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Women have been in combat scenarios for years in both Russia and Israel with great effectiveness.
Can you expound on these combat roles?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:40 pm to upgrayedd
Ziva would mess up your world.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:43 pm to SabiDojo
This is pretty old news I think. I'm not sure I have a problem with it without more information. My question centers around the women of Russia and Israel who have fought in combat previously without much issue. So what are they doing differently?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:44 pm to DoUrden
Off topic, but, are females required to register for selective service upon turning 18 yet?
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:45 pm to LoveThatMoney
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So what are they doing differently?
Not whining about shite and train their asses off.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:52 pm to DoUrden
quote:
Ziva would mess up your world.
and I would let her
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:56 pm to Bleeding purple
If the standards prevent Xena The Warrior Princess from fighting, then we've got a problem.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 1:58 pm to upgrayedd
quote]upgrayedd
Can you expound on these combat roles? [/quote]
Excellent question, the combat roles found to be most suitable for women were as tankers, snipers, machine gunners. Any role where pure physical strength is not the sole prerequisite.
Now to the other side of the equation,
Women get pregnant
Cause logistical situations
Cause men to become overly paternal in comparison to their male counterparts.
My statements are geared towards the force in place today. Now my disclaimer, I've seen some very good female soldiers, but could not see a scenario similar to WWII invasions of Normandy, Iwo, or Pelelieu for instance where they would be advantageous in my opinion and advantage over the enemy is what is ultimate when deciding who to put where and why.
Can you expound on these combat roles? [/quote]
Excellent question, the combat roles found to be most suitable for women were as tankers, snipers, machine gunners. Any role where pure physical strength is not the sole prerequisite.
Now to the other side of the equation,
Women get pregnant
Cause logistical situations
Cause men to become overly paternal in comparison to their male counterparts.
My statements are geared towards the force in place today. Now my disclaimer, I've seen some very good female soldiers, but could not see a scenario similar to WWII invasions of Normandy, Iwo, or Pelelieu for instance where they would be advantageous in my opinion and advantage over the enemy is what is ultimate when deciding who to put where and why.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:07 pm to SabiDojo
God
Country
Inclusion
Feelings
Corps
Country
Inclusion
Feelings
Corps
Posted on 4/21/15 at 2:13 pm to LoveThatMoney
quote:
This is pretty old news I think. I'm not sure I have a problem with it without more information. My question centers around the women of Russia and Israel who have fought in combat previously without much issue. So what are they doing differently?
And that is a good point, but considering we have the greatest military in the world and already have enough military personnel, I don't have a problem being more selective than the rest of the world.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:22 pm to SabiDojo
I'm a Marine Vet w/ 8 years service (1st Recon)
just reading this makes laugh and sad at the same time but can someone please tell me how lowering standards make us better?? What I really find sad is the fact that someday this "political correctness" will cost us in blood and defeat, but hey we'll all be equal right
hell i think Dempsey is more of a self serving politician disguised as an Army officer. and meanwhile in the Army this is OK...
just reading this makes laugh and sad at the same time but can someone please tell me how lowering standards make us better?? What I really find sad is the fact that someday this "political correctness" will cost us in blood and defeat, but hey we'll all be equal right
hell i think Dempsey is more of a self serving politician disguised as an Army officer. and meanwhile in the Army this is OK...
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:28 pm to No8Easy2
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:30 pm to SabiDojo
quote:
Army Gen. Martin E. Dempsey
Needs to have his arse kicked.
Posted on 4/21/15 at 3:42 pm to SabiDojo
FWIW, several women who actually tried the IOC were interviewed and were adamantly opposed to different standards and very much want to pass the real thing.
That said, if there is a good reason to lower the physical standard (and there might be for all I know), all fine and good. It just might not be needed anymore, and the consequence would be some women would be more likely to pass. But lower it b/c the standard isn't needed anymore, not in order to get more women in the infantry.
FWIW it's quite possible that Gen. Dempsey is simply saying what plays well in the press, but that privately he's holding the line. There's lots of CYA stuff like that out there.
That said, if there is a good reason to lower the physical standard (and there might be for all I know), all fine and good. It just might not be needed anymore, and the consequence would be some women would be more likely to pass. But lower it b/c the standard isn't needed anymore, not in order to get more women in the infantry.
FWIW it's quite possible that Gen. Dempsey is simply saying what plays well in the press, but that privately he's holding the line. There's lots of CYA stuff like that out there.
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