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re: Potential Gulf Storm before Irma (NHC Dropped This)

Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
Posted by SouthernHog
Arkansas
Member since Jul 2016
6701 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
Jesus, that is depressing to see.
Posted by High C
viewing the fall....
Member since Nov 2012
59227 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
Is that a projected path for this "new" storm? And this will be in addition to the remnants of Harvey?
Posted by rds dc
Member since Jun 2008
20973 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
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Can you explain how this happens (in fairly simple terms for an idiot like me)?


I'll post something this evening once we have more model data. But the long and short of it, Harvey departs and an area favorable for thunderstorms is left in the southern Gulf. Thunderstorms thunderstorm long enough and a new systems forms.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36438 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
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Can you explain how this happens (in fairly simple terms for an idiot like me)?


This is getting into rds and bay territory, but I'll do my best. Either one of them, please correct any mistakes as I'm extrapolating some things.

Harvey will transition into an "extratropical" cyclone as he moves along north. Instead of being a nice symmetric system, he'll end up looking more like your typical midwest low pressure system or a nor-easter with a cold and warm front as pictured below.



The trailing "cold" front will extend into the Gulf of Mexico. The front is a boundary between cooler dry continental air and the warm moist gulf air. Cooler dry air is more dense than the incoming warm gulf air, and near the bottom where there is less forcing of the dry air into the gulf there's an opportunity for the warm air to start overrunning the cold and rising up creating a low pressure.

That low pressure will be positioned over the warm gulf waters and start sucking up more warm air and becoming a "warm" core low, which we all know as a tropical cyclone.

That's at least how the process makes sense to me. Guys like rds and baytiger have a much deeper education on the atmosphere than I do, so I may be off the mark with some of this.

Finally, all these storms as "fun" is me being sarcastic.
Posted by FelicianaTigerfan
Comanche County
Member since Aug 2009
26059 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:42 am to
link to models?
Posted by MorbidTheClown
Baton Rouge
Member since Jan 2015
73346 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:43 am to
More "Karma" ?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133318 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:44 am to
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Late August and September is such fun.
Unless you're just being sarcastic, GFY.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36438 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:45 am to
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Unless you're just being sarcastic, GFY.


I got my flooded house back liveable like a month and a half ago. Do you think the prospect of a storm coming here is "fun" for me?
Posted by No8Easy2
in these ( . ) ( . ) 's
Member since Mar 2014
11828 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:45 am to
good info thanks Duke, but I don't eve remember seeing this before is this a rare event?
Posted by The Golden Rule
Prairieville, LA
Member since Jul 2017
9 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:46 am to
What am I missing here? There is absolutely nothing on radar in the gulf

Edit: nevermind. Just read Dukes post
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 11:49 am
Posted by SCLSUMuddogs
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2010
7955 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:46 am to
989mb, that's just under a cat one right?
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133318 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:48 am to
It's difficult to determine sarcasm from a written statement unless the poster uses this emoticon:
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36438 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:49 am to
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good info thanks Duke, but I don't eve remember seeing this before is this a rare event?


It happens more than you think, but typically on the back of a late season front early in the hurricane season. It's a typical source of those june/early july weak TS that form up in the gulf.
Posted by Duke
Dillon, CO
Member since Jan 2008
36438 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:49 am to
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It's difficult to determine sarcasm from a written statement unless the poster uses this emoticon


It's all good Russian. Any misinterpretation is of my own doing.
Posted by Y.A. Tittle
Member since Sep 2003
109334 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:51 am to
For what it's worth, your tone seemed pretty clear to me.
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137944 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:58 am to
You've gotta be shitting me
Posted by upgrayedd
Lifting at Tobin's house
Member since Mar 2013
137944 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 11:58 am to
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Duke
Posted by Wtodd
Tampa, FL
Member since Oct 2013
68438 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:23 pm to
Could 2017 be Texas' version of 2004 Florida?

ETA: as far as numbers, not size
This post was edited on 8/30/17 at 12:58 pm
Posted by georgia
445
Member since Jan 2007
9207 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:39 pm to
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Any misinterpretation is of my own doing


Speaking of Misinterpretation, I swear to God, I've been reading your posts in the storm thread, and I just realized after all of this time that you're not PJ.
Posted by BRIllini07
Baton Rouge, LA
Member since Feb 2015
3176 posts
Posted on 8/30/17 at 12:56 pm to
Very far out but 12z GFS has this thing riding the gulf coast a week from now (Forecast hours 174-198 for Louisiana).



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