re: Poster who lost his young son about a year ago

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I am 100% convinced our son would still be alive if I had taken that step.

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You can't beat yourself up for that.

All of us want to believe doctors know what they are doing. And if we interfere with what the doctors are doing, THEN we put our loved one in danger.

What happened was NOT your fault.

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The ER doc where our son was taken by the paramedics made some alarming comments in her report. She was obviously very upset. I wish I had known then what I know now because I would have stepped in and stopped his treatment at the Urgent Care. I simply didn't know any better and blindly trusted the doctors and nurses. I am 100% convinced our son would still be alive if I had taken that step.

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You can’t beat yourself up over that. In what reality is anyone going to pull their kid out of the ER when the doctors and nurses say they want to observe them longer? I would have a hard time doing that and I know the medicine. I’m really sorry for your loss. It’s just a terrible situation and I wish there was more closure.

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I am 100% convinced our son would still be alive if I had taken that step.

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man you cant blame yourself or even second guess what did or didnt do....I dont blame you digging into what coulda, woulda shoulda happened.....but bro....it's going to eat you up inside and out if you blame yourself or even question yourself....hindsight....you know what they say

I am so sorry you and your wife have to go through this....I cant even imagine if I had to power through with that weight on my shoulders. I've seen first hand the pain a friend and his wife I grew up with is dealing with that lost his son in a car accident a few years ago and it's absolutely heartbreaking. My prayers go out to your and your family

Thanks and I appreciate the sentiment. Like you say it is easier said than done. You can't stop your mind from replaying the sequence of events over and over and inevitably doubt will creep in. It happened with my wife as well but we didn't let those doubts overcome us.

I'm grateful that we have managed to hold our marriage together because many couples don't make it through tragedy.

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Based on the story I think it’s possible. The only thing that confuses me is if there was that much fluid pushed wouldn’t there be edema in his lungs? Or other signs of fluid overload. I think air embolism is a definite possibility.

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My thoughts were

Flash pulmonary edema. A liter of saline on a kid with a pressure bag makes no sense.

Air Embolus. The bag was being used because the IV sucked or was never patent. You would notice a liter though if it infiltrated in the arm of a child. You’d have a Popeye forearm.

Can an air embolus not be detected on autopsy? Honestly asking.

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My thoughts were Flash pulmonary edema. A liter of saline on a kid with a pressure bag makes no sense. Air Embolus. The bag was being used because the IV sucked or was never patent. You would notice a liter though if it infiltrated in the arm of a child. You’d have a Popeye forearm. Can an air embolus not be detected on autopsy? Honestly asking.

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I would still expect flash pulmonary edema to be present on autopsy. Apparently air embolism is also detectable on autopsy.

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Kids can lose pulses quickly from hypoxia, and given how good his child looked one can speculate it was a hypoxic or hypoglycemic cause (other causes would result in a more acutely ill appearing kid). I know there was concern in the original thread that insulin may have been accidentally pushed, plus they seemed overly concerned with his blood glucose that wasn’t inordinately low (62).

That's terrible, so sorry for your loss. Some of these Urgent Cares have some questionable providers. In fact last night I saw a patient had been to the urgent care with a headache and numbness for 2 weeks and being treated for an ear infection. Patient had a subdural bleed on their brain

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I'm grateful that we have managed to hold our marriage together because many couples don't make it through tragedy.

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I read through the entire other thread. And your marriage kept popping up into my mind.

This is good to hear.

I hope you have a serious malpractice case/settlement in the works. Nothing will replace your son, but that's exactly what it's there for. I'm not a Dr or anything but this seems to be obvious malpractice and someone needs to be held accountable.