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Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:33 am to VooDude
Check out Man in the High Castle
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:35 am to VooDude
This would have required rearming the Wehrmacht in Western Europe and turning them around, which was politically never ever going to happen.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 6:36 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:37 am to J Murdah
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Check out Man in the High Castle
That scenario is if the Axis powers won the war.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:38 am to VooDude
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Many new, bigger markets opened up after the war. Pulling the rug out underneath them would have only hurt them. Their industrial base was gone and relied on bodies and US supplies.
That's an unknown.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:42 am to VooDude
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have this insatiable thirst for knowledge lately and have come to the right place.
Coming to OT Lounge to satisfy your thirst for knowledge is like going to Vegas to get sober.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 6:58 am to VooDude
A ground war in Russia never backfires.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:15 am to tigerinexile
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The war machine needed a boogeyman if not the Soviet Union it would have been some other country. Think about the money made in the forty years after the war ended.
You think the USSR was a fake "boogeyman"? This shows the true degree of failure in our education system. The Soviet Union is one of the most unambiguous examples of barbarism, brutality, inhumanity, corruption, and authority through terror. They are the most legitimate example of an international threat to human freedom and prosperity in modern history.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:21 am to ChewyDante
I’ve been to the Soviet Union you think I don’t know this? What I’m saying is that if it wasn’t the Soviets it would have been something else like how Al qaeda popped up to replace the communist.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:23 am to Spaceman Spiff
I know, but if OP is curious about alternative history it’s worth a read.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:31 am to VooDude
Maybe you need to read up on George S Patton. He wanted to. You probably knew that
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:34 am to Strannix
quote:You are out of your mind. I feel like Christianity disguises mental illness well where it’s acceptable to say crazy shite as long as you reference god.
Russia may one day be the only hospitable place for white Christians.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:36 am to tigerinexile
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’ve been to the Soviet Union you think I don’t know this? What I’m saying is that if it wasn’t the Soviets it would have been something else like how Al qaeda popped up to replace the communist.
I have no idea what you know or not. There appears to be no meaningful point to your initial comment. If anything, the Soviets should have been resisted far sooner and more intensively then waiting until after Germany's absolute destruction, when the Soviets were in a position of occupation and maximum strength.
WWII and the sacrosanct narratives that emerged from it is the reason our military industrial complex exploded in the first place. The legitimate threat posed by the USSR post-war, which legitimized the need for perpetual armaments investments, was a result of our and the British's incompetence in planning for post-war existence and what it would look like geopolitically. Until people start acknowledging and thinking critically about our policy failures DURING the war which created this scenario, we'll constantly be chasing our tails.
WWII destroyed the legitimacy in this country for the foreign policy that had existed for our entire national life prior to WWI. It is still dead today because of WWII propaganda and the taboo of criticizing any of our fundamental policies surrounding the war.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:38 am to Cracker
quote:Same with Churchill. No wonder he was’t PM for much longer after the war.
Maybe you need to read up on George S Patton. He wanted to. You probably knew that
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:40 am to ronricks
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He was sent home then told to be ready to be sent to Japan in two weeks for more missions. Luckily before the two weeks was up Japan had surrendered. He would have gone but told me he was exhausted from the war. People were ready for it to end
Shortly after VE Day a newspaper at an airbase in Italy published this poem:
Who wants to be a hero
It's in the zero's
Who wants to be a civilian
It's in the millions
Posted on 11/6/25 at 7:44 am to VooDude
If Churchill wasn't such a bloodthirsty warmonger and had an ounce of strategy, he would of let Germany invade the Soviet Union full force. The winter did in Operation Barbarosa, but not fighting a multi-front war and Germany focusing all resources on destroying Russia, we would of seen those two countries cannibalize each other. Best case scenario is that the USSR was destroyed and Germany was weakened - leaving an easy clean up job for the Allies and saving lives. No cold war and no communism post war - we'd be living in a completely different world.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:17 am to VooDude
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What if the allies took out the USSR while they were weak after Berlin fell?
At the time Berlin fell the US had 2.4M men in Europe in 62 combat divisions.
The USSR at that time had 500 infantry divisions alone with 6.5M men in total.
In order to defeat the Soviet Union we would’ve needed to end the war against Japan, double our military, convince the British who were dead broke at the time to commit their 20 divisions and the French whose nation was completely ruined post German occupation to join in.
Then we would’ve had to use the atomic bomb on Russia along with strategic bombing to kill millions of civilians and at a cost of 1M+ Americans.
In other words it was never really an option because Russia was a monster by the time Berlin fell.
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:22 am to VooDude
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Using my monkey brain, I’m thinking today’s threats wouldn’t have nukes and have us by the balls to the point where we can’t engage in conventional war.
I think the US at the end of the war knew both Europe and Russia had lost so many generations of fighters and strong fighting men that consequently would result in a weaker force going forward.
They were right. Look at a typical European or Russian and tell me they want some from a US Marine. No way. Those guys are long dead.
Sure they have some remaining but their fighting DNA for the most part has been wiped out. Not only that we had that entire portion of the world subservient to us then and we have them subservient to us now.
The US played its hand as beautiful as anyone could’ve played it. Our relationship with the Japanese is the best it’s ever been after we killed the shite out of each other for years.
Uniglobal superpower complete. The hard part was keeping this piece of information private which just cannot be done with all the cameras now. You can see how bad our opponents are. You can literally watch them drive around in shite equipment and blow each other up with primitive means.
No one is on our level
We simply didn’t want to lose any more men. This wasn’t our war to begin with.
This post was edited on 11/6/25 at 8:25 am
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:38 am to willymeaux
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we would’ve been funding and arming our new adversary.
I have a feeling that spigot would have been shut off had we gone to war with them
Posted on 11/6/25 at 8:43 am to VooDude
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What if the allies took out the USSR while they were weak after Berlin fell?
Next time ask what if the Japanese had invaded Russia, preventing the Russians from saving Stalingrad and the Germans were able to defeat Russia. Or the Germans bypass Stalingrad altogether and concentrated on Moscow. 
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