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re: POS cop begs judge for mercy at sentencing
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:00 pm to BeesWax
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:00 pm to BeesWax
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dblwall
Yea but they mistake in saying the cop has to articulate it to the suspect. While I do think it might be a good idea at times, a lot of these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works.
Everything works on retrospect.
If the cops can't come up with a justifiable suspicion of crime later, then the arrest is invalid and the lack of cooperation is justified and the douches get paid.
If they manage to come up with something the judge accepts then the arrest is valid.
It's a gamble for both parties.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:03 pm to forkedintheroad
Sure but reasonable suspicion is a low burden. I’m referring to the times when cops actually have it. First amendment guys think they are entitled to it and they aren’t.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:04 pm to Lexis Dad
quote:where in the vid did that happen ,, a timestamp.. approximate
to put the girl's head through glass.
thanks
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:05 pm to forkedintheroad
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If the cops can't come up with a justifiable suspicion of crime later, then the arrest is invalid and the lack of cooperation is justified and the douches get paid
Exactly. I have seen a few videos of good cops telling the Karens that it's not illegal to be filmed in public or stand on public sidewalks. You would think this would be thought to cops in their initial training.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:01 pm to BeesWax
quote:Well, that's because they do, assuming a citizen knows his rights. This isn't Bolshevik Russia: you can't walk up to someone not breaking a law and demand their papers else they go to the gulag.
Yea but they mistake in saying the cop has to articulate it to the suspect.
quote:It's a good idea all the time, every time. In fact, it's an inalienable right, but if you're one of the ones who thought someone walking on the beach alone during covid was a perfectly reasonable, sane, and logical arrestable offense, then you'll most certainly disagree.
While I do think it might be a good idea at times,
quote:That's exactly how it works; which is precisely why every single one where they're arrested, if constitutional law was followed by the citizen, winds up with charges being dropped and/or a lawsuit being won. It's really not up for debate on whether or not that's how it works: that's how it works, and that's how it should work.
a lot of these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works.
I don't owe an agent of the state my government papers for simply existing and not breaking a law. Making a Karen uncomfortable is not against the law. Move to Great Britain or pretty much any other country on planet earth if you want that from a government.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:01 pm to Dex Morgan
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A cop isn't a citizen when they are on duty. They're an extension of the government. They should be held to higher standards and greater punishments.
This.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:04 pm to DaleGribblesMower
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Our heroes in blue at it again! Thank the good lord we have these brave, educated souls to keep us all safe!
People like you are retarded af and would be the first to call the cops when your panties got ruffled.
Your argument can be said for every industry under the sun:
Presidency
Doctors
Cops
Engineers
But continue on with your gotcha bro. Awesome!
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:12 pm to mudshuvl05
You said a lot. The fact is there is no requirement for an officer to give reasonable suspicion to the person being detained. In fact, sometimes safety doesn’t allow for such. I even said it’s a good idea to do so. You are ranting for nothing.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:48 pm to BeesWax
It is if no crime has been committed, otherwise the bill of rights mean nothing.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:50 pm to This GUN for HIRE
What is if no crime has been committed? I’m not sure what you’re responding to.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:51 pm to BeesWax
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What is if no crime has been committed? I’m not sure what you’re responding to.
Eta: hit submit accidentally
Exactly how it works if no crime has been committed.
quote:
these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 8:56 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:53 pm to This GUN for HIRE
Haha okay so you have no point. I’ve had multiple responses and you can’t bother to say what you were responding to.
I’ll take a guess then. You are saying that an officer has to give reasonable suspicion if no crime has been committed, which is a nonsensical statement.
I’ll take a guess then. You are saying that an officer has to give reasonable suspicion if no crime has been committed, which is a nonsensical statement.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:59 pm to This GUN for HIRE
Gotcha. I understand now. The first amendment auditor is not the one who determines if a crime has been committed. They can resist if they disagree, but if the court finds the officer has reasonable suspicion, then that’s that. And their resisting charge will be upheld. In that way, first amendment auditors often times steer their followers down a dangerous path that can lead to arrest.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:01 pm to Dex Morgan
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Exactly. I have seen a few videos of good cops telling the Karens that it's not illegal to be filmed in public or stand on public sidewalks. You would think this would be thought to cops in their initial training.
It is now, specifically because of the 1A auditors, and continually winning lawsuits against municipalities.
Cops everywhere know it now, which is why you don't see nearly the amount of videos of cops acting a fool that you did 3 years ago.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:02 pm to Lexis Dad
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The woman was drunk and belingerent but that didn't give the cop carte Blanche to put the girl's head through glass.
She went through glass? I saw him throw her onto a chair.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm to BeesWax
What would an officer have RAS for someone on a sidewalk filming? Does the camera make it a crime? Is walking on a public sidewalk a crime?
The cop shouldn't even approach the auditor unless a crime has been committed. They should tell the Karen complaining, the auditor is practicing a constitutionally protected activity (you know, the oath they took), stfu unless you see a crime, & stop wasting their time.
Cops have no authority over law abiding citizens, or like I said, the bill of rights would mean nothing.
The cop shouldn't even approach the auditor unless a crime has been committed. They should tell the Karen complaining, the auditor is practicing a constitutionally protected activity (you know, the oath they took), stfu unless you see a crime, & stop wasting their time.
Cops have no authority over law abiding citizens, or like I said, the bill of rights would mean nothing.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm to deeprig9
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She went through glass? I saw him throw her onto a chair.
That's what I was wondering. I would like to see the full video without interruptions or the guy talking. Is there a link to this?
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:13 pm to This GUN for HIRE
Okay I see where we are talking past each other. I’m not talking about the common acts of the auditors. I’m talking about when officers have reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:13 pm to BeesWax
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if the court finds the officer has reasonable suspicion
Over and over again you see the officer thinking suspicious behavior = reasonable suspicion. I think they honestly don’t understand it’s “reasonable suspicion of a crime.” The officer thinks they’re doing things the right way, by the book, because it’s how the officer was trained.
Why should someone give up a Constitutional right when they aren’t required to do so? Whenever I see one of those videos and the police say it’s not a big deal to give up your identity just to be cooperative, I cringe. If someone returns to that address later (including the angry officer) and throws a brick through a window, detectives are going to appear at the innocent person’s door in the morning and he’s going to want to hire a lawyer. All because he forfeited his rights.
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