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re: POS cop begs judge for mercy at sentencing

Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:00 pm to
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:00 pm to
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dblwall
Yea but they mistake in saying the cop has to articulate it to the suspect. While I do think it might be a good idea at times, a lot of these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works.



Everything works on retrospect.

If the cops can't come up with a justifiable suspicion of crime later, then the arrest is invalid and the lack of cooperation is justified and the douches get paid.

If they manage to come up with something the judge accepts then the arrest is valid.

It's a gamble for both parties.
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:03 pm to
Sure but reasonable suspicion is a low burden. I’m referring to the times when cops actually have it. First amendment guys think they are entitled to it and they aren’t.
Posted by OWLFAN86
Erotic Novelist
Member since Jun 2004
194113 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:04 pm to
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to put the girl's head through glass.
where in the vid did that happen ,, a timestamp.. approximate

thanks
Posted by Dex Morgan
Member since Nov 2022
3077 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 7:05 pm to
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If the cops can't come up with a justifiable suspicion of crime later, then the arrest is invalid and the lack of cooperation is justified and the douches get paid


Exactly. I have seen a few videos of good cops telling the Karens that it's not illegal to be filmed in public or stand on public sidewalks. You would think this would be thought to cops in their initial training.
Posted by mudshuvl05
Member since Nov 2023
2753 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:01 pm to
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Yea but they mistake in saying the cop has to articulate it to the suspect.
Well, that's because they do, assuming a citizen knows his rights. This isn't Bolshevik Russia: you can't walk up to someone not breaking a law and demand their papers else they go to the gulag.
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While I do think it might be a good idea at times,
It's a good idea all the time, every time. In fact, it's an inalienable right, but if you're one of the ones who thought someone walking on the beach alone during covid was a perfectly reasonable, sane, and logical arrestable offense, then you'll most certainly disagree.
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a lot of these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works.
That's exactly how it works; which is precisely why every single one where they're arrested, if constitutional law was followed by the citizen, winds up with charges being dropped and/or a lawsuit being won. It's really not up for debate on whether or not that's how it works: that's how it works, and that's how it should work.

I don't owe an agent of the state my government papers for simply existing and not breaking a law. Making a Karen uncomfortable is not against the law. Move to Great Britain or pretty much any other country on planet earth if you want that from a government.
Posted by rs_la
Member since Mar 2023
202 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:01 pm to
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A cop isn't a citizen when they are on duty. They're an extension of the government. They should be held to higher standards and greater punishments.


This.
Posted by idlewatcher
Planet Arium
Member since Jan 2012
91895 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:04 pm to
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Our heroes in blue at it again! Thank the good lord we have these brave, educated souls to keep us all safe!


People like you are retarded af and would be the first to call the cops when your panties got ruffled.

Your argument can be said for every industry under the sun:

Presidency
Doctors
Cops
Engineers

But continue on with your gotcha bro. Awesome!
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:12 pm to
You said a lot. The fact is there is no requirement for an officer to give reasonable suspicion to the person being detained. In fact, sometimes safety doesn’t allow for such. I even said it’s a good idea to do so. You are ranting for nothing.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5475 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:48 pm to
It is if no crime has been committed, otherwise the bill of rights mean nothing.
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:50 pm to
What is if no crime has been committed? I’m not sure what you’re responding to.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5475 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:51 pm to
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What is if no crime has been committed? I’m not sure what you’re responding to.


Eta: hit submit accidentally

Exactly how it works if no crime has been committed.


quote:

these first amendment auditors don’t think they have to comply before the cop explains his full reasoning. That’s not how it works
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 8:56 pm
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:53 pm to
Haha okay so you have no point. I’ve had multiple responses and you can’t bother to say what you were responding to.

I’ll take a guess then. You are saying that an officer has to give reasonable suspicion if no crime has been committed, which is a nonsensical statement.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 8:57 pm
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5475 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:56 pm to
Check my edit
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 8:59 pm to
Gotcha. I understand now. The first amendment auditor is not the one who determines if a crime has been committed. They can resist if they disagree, but if the court finds the officer has reasonable suspicion, then that’s that. And their resisting charge will be upheld. In that way, first amendment auditors often times steer their followers down a dangerous path that can lead to arrest.
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72648 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:01 pm to
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Exactly. I have seen a few videos of good cops telling the Karens that it's not illegal to be filmed in public or stand on public sidewalks. You would think this would be thought to cops in their initial training.


It is now, specifically because of the 1A auditors, and continually winning lawsuits against municipalities.

Cops everywhere know it now, which is why you don't see nearly the amount of videos of cops acting a fool that you did 3 years ago.
Posted by deeprig9
Unincorporated Ozora
Member since Sep 2012
72648 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:02 pm to
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The woman was drunk and belingerent but that didn't give the cop carte Blanche to put the girl's head through glass.


She went through glass? I saw him throw her onto a chair.
Posted by This GUN for HIRE
Member since May 2022
5475 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:09 pm to
What would an officer have RAS for someone on a sidewalk filming? Does the camera make it a crime? Is walking on a public sidewalk a crime?

The cop shouldn't even approach the auditor unless a crime has been committed. They should tell the Karen complaining, the auditor is practicing a constitutionally protected activity (you know, the oath they took), stfu unless you see a crime, & stop wasting their time.

Cops have no authority over law abiding citizens, or like I said, the bill of rights would mean nothing.
Posted by beauchristopher
Member since Jan 2008
71578 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm to
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She went through glass? I saw him throw her onto a chair.


That's what I was wondering. I would like to see the full video without interruptions or the guy talking. Is there a link to this?
This post was edited on 8/16/25 at 9:12 pm
Posted by BeesWax
Member since Mar 2025
695 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:13 pm to
Okay I see where we are talking past each other. I’m not talking about the common acts of the auditors. I’m talking about when officers have reasonable suspicion of a crime.
Posted by BobABooey
Parts Unknown
Member since Oct 2004
15853 posts
Posted on 8/16/25 at 9:13 pm to
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if the court finds the officer has reasonable suspicion

Over and over again you see the officer thinking suspicious behavior = reasonable suspicion. I think they honestly don’t understand it’s “reasonable suspicion of a crime.” The officer thinks they’re doing things the right way, by the book, because it’s how the officer was trained.

Why should someone give up a Constitutional right when they aren’t required to do so? Whenever I see one of those videos and the police say it’s not a big deal to give up your identity just to be cooperative, I cringe. If someone returns to that address later (including the angry officer) and throws a brick through a window, detectives are going to appear at the innocent person’s door in the morning and he’s going to want to hire a lawyer. All because he forfeited his rights.
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