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re: Pool light LED upgrade?

Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:24 pm to
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
135024 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:24 pm to
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Says the guy who can’t change a light bulb without consulting the OT.



I’d say changing anything electric that’s underwater warrants an expert
Posted by ithad2bme
Houston transplant from B.R.
Member since Sep 2008
3732 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:34 pm to
When we remodeled our pool I swapped out the fixture for the Pentair, which allowed me to install the controller that selects colors or sequences of colors. My brother swapped out just the bulb in his light and can control colors by turning the switch off and on repeatedly. If you have the budget get the new fixture and switch, if not just get the light.

One nice thing about the Pentair with the switch is that you can add landscape lighting that will synch with the colors of your pool.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 11:11 am
Posted by Marco Esquandolas
Member since Jul 2013
11878 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 10:37 pm to
You have to replace the entire fixture. I have Jandy LEDs. Mine lasted about 5 years (which is about normal—lots of people complain about the life of them on the pool forums). The replacement for the “light engine” which has the LEDs, is about $800, and the entire fixture is about $950. I replaced the entire fixture.

Ladner’s Pools in Harahan did the change out..
Posted by TheAnvil
Member since Feb 2019
278 posts
Posted on 3/17/19 at 11:17 pm to
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I’d say changing anything electric that’s underwater warrants an expert


Its not really that complicated to swap them out. Its not like I'm wiring in a whole new system from scratch. However, even if I do let the pool company install whatever I decide to go with that doesnt warrant paying their ridiculously inflated price for an already ridiculously overpriced item. That $600 light kit will be marked up another 30% if I buy it through a pool company.
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94628 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:11 am to
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I’d say changing anything electric that’s underwater warrants an expert


No.

1. The entire fixture is sealed. You cut the power then remove one screw and pull the assembly out and set it on the concrete by the pool. The light has a long arse cable for this purpose.

2. I bought a highly recommended LED color changing light on Amazon and it worked great for 6 months then would only turn red or came on really dim. I got my money back. The problem is the old light is 600 watts so the LED models have 100s of LEDs crammed into the unit so lots more to go wrong. I was hoping I would not have to replace it for years.

3. The ones that have a remote are useless. Being underwater with a big metal cage around then means you practically have to touch the light with the remote to get it to work. I opted for a unit that you can change the color by flipping the actual switch.. Each time would change it to another color. That worked great until the light failed.

In short be careful the LED units have not evolved to the place where they are comparable to light bulbs yet.
Posted by soccerfüt
Location: A Series of Tubes
Member since May 2013
76128 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 7:15 am to
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Ladner’s Pools in Harahan did the change out..
If anyone ever spent a year living amongst the Ladners who infest the Mississippi Gulf Coast, they would never let another Ladner anywhere near their property.

I’m sure these Ladners are fine.
Posted by LSUperior
Member since Aug 2009
1242 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:44 am to
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1. The entire fixture is sealed. You cut the power then remove one screw and pull the assembly out and set it on the concrete by the pool. The light has a long arse cable for this purpose.


This is spot on. You DO NOT have to change the whole fixture. I literally did all of this last week to change out my spa light to a color changing LED. Make d*mn sure you cut the power off prior and it's actually really easy to do. One screw and the whole fixture comes right out and you lay it on your deck (I'd recommend laying a towel down on the deck surface to work with).

Once out, you just have to remove the screw holding the face ring and wire clamp. Take that off and then remove the lense and wallaaaa...there is your bulb. Unscrew it and put in new bulb. Then put everything back together in reverse. Be sure to also replace the lense gasket with a brand new one...THIS IS IMPORTANT, so you won't have leaks!

You will need to know if the lights run off of 120v or 12v to choose the right bulb.

This is where I got my color changing bulb from ---> Florida-Sunseeker Color Changing Pool Light Kits

I highly recommend watching this video. It's a spa light, but exact same procedure. ---> How to change spa light

This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 10:48 am
Posted by Bigfishchoupique
Member since Jul 2017
9663 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 10:53 am to
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Go buy a new Camero...
. I live in a double wide with a brick skirt. I also know how to spell Camaro you dumb arse.
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 10:56 am
Posted by SPEEDY
2005 Tiger Smack Poster of the Year
Member since Dec 2003
88368 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 11:13 am to
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quote:

Yes and tires are just as good as a foundation.



And your sister is just as good as your mom.



Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52635 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 12:12 pm to
I got two of those LED lights that changed colors an shite when we had our pool installed.

Neither one lasted two years.
Posted by TheAnvil
Member since Feb 2019
278 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:35 pm to
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I got two of those LED lights that changed colors an shite when we had our pool installed.

Neither one lasted two years


Which brand were yours?
Posted by TBoy
Kalamazoo
Member since Dec 2007
29107 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:41 pm to
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You will have to replace the whole fixture. They are not cheap.


And you will likely have to change the breaker-transformer. I have been looking into doing this as well. I presently have a standard old school underwater light fixture (watertight with a standard bulb) which has underground cable to a converter transformer at the outdoor breaker in my pump room. To change the fixture to go LED I will have to change everything from the breaker to the water. It will be about $350.00 if I do it myself.

If there is an easier way, I'm listening and interested.
Posted by bamarep
Member since Nov 2013
52635 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 1:47 pm to
Mine were Pentair
Posted by CAD703X
Liberty Island
Member since Jul 2008
94628 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 3:59 pm to
quote:

got two of those LED lights that changed colors an shite when we had our pool installed.

Neither one lasted two years.

I think because you need like 150 LEDs to get 600w equivalent lighting coupled with the fact this is sealed enclosure under water that gets no air the LEDs overheat and die.

Yet to see one that lasts anywhere as long as a regular led light in your house.
Posted by LSUwag
Florida man
Member since Jan 2007
18141 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 5:13 pm to
The Pentair LED light is definitely worth the investment. I changed my old style light out and loved the upgrade.
Posted by TheAnvil
Member since Feb 2019
278 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 5:26 pm to
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Mine were Pentair


Yeah the Pentair gets pretty bad reviews for longevity compared to cost. Flaled.com sells another brand that gets better reviews for a fraction of the cost. My standard fixture is a Pentair and its been great.
Posted by TheAnvil
Member since Feb 2019
278 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 5:29 pm to
They sell screw in bulb replacements in both 12v and 120v so a transformer replacement is not required and neither is a full fixture replacement. The name brands are costly and dont last more than a couple years so I'm tempted to try one of the off brand screw in bulbs off Amazon. You can find them that come with a remote for in the $60 dollar range. The reviews on them prove they dont last but a couple years but it beats paying $400 for one that wont last any longer.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
73701 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 5:49 pm to
Just tape some colored construction paper over it, baw.
Posted by Drop4Loss
Birds Eye Of Deaf Valley
Member since Oct 2007
3967 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 6:38 pm to
Led's are 24 or 36 volt in pool

120 V 12/2 with ground from breaker to converter

Then its 36 V to light from converter with wire that came with the light
(Stranded)

Code says the pool coping should also be bonded back to the breaker box or pump. Single strand ground wire



Simple shite
This post was edited on 3/18/19 at 6:42 pm
Posted by TheAnvil
Member since Feb 2019
278 posts
Posted on 3/18/19 at 8:04 pm to
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Led's are 24 or 36 volt in pool


Some not all. Code says anything metal withing 5 feet of the pool has to be bonded and the pool deck must be bonded. There's a whole lot more to the bonding requirements than the little amount of bs you gave here. That also has nothing to do with this conversation.
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