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re: Police released video of the fatal shooting of unarmed black man in Oklahoma
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:48 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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Was his hands in the car? I couldn't tell. Looks like the door was closed and window up.
His hands were in the air for most of the video.
the statement by the chief of police was that he reached into the car
look at the video again and ready the statement
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Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:48 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you really think it is worth the risk, getting shot dead, to challenge the cops on the street when you feel your rights are being violated?
That's a sad statement within itself.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:49 pm to JesusQuintana
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"He walked away when I told him to walk towards me" is NOT justification for killing the person.
Yup, if only that were the reason Terence was shot.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:49 pm to tgrbaitn08
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In others words he didndu anything wrong..the cops just drove up and shot him for no reason.
They will say he didn't follow directions- the real question is did they have to? Typically you need reasonable suspicion of a crime to detain, and probable cause to arrest.
I haven't read about either so far in this thread- do you have any evidence of reasonable suspicion or probable cause he committed a crime?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:49 pm to Topwater Trout
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do you really think it is worth the risk, getting shot dead, to challenge the cops on the street when you feel your rights are being violated? I would rather do what it takes not to get shot and then use the legal system to try to get justice.
I agree it's not worth it standing up to the cops.. even if he's an ahole..
However, I know there can be physical or mental issues preventing that and you still may not deserve to be killed over it.
As I said, I almost wish there was some other safer way to detain a person.. rather than something so fatal.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:50 pm to Sao
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Had no clue you were black Woo Pig
Yeah, I'm dark as frick
Gig 'Em
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this case is very compelling. The video clearly shows the drivers window as up all the way, not down. The cop claims he was reaching inside. I conclude, as cops will if I fricked up, that ignorance of the law or facts isn't a defense. Murder. frick em.
From my layman's perspective in looking at this case, it looks like the LEO fricked up. Like I said in my first post itt.
Usually err on the side on LE, but gotta evaluate each incident on its own IMO.
Problem today is too many people try to connect random unfortunate incidents in a country of 300 million folks to overarching narratives one way or the other. Just leads to intellectual dishonesty and strife
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:50 pm to dsides
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Breaking news they just disclosed that pcp was recovered from the SUV. Not that that justifies the shooting but it certainly explains some things. Car parked in the middle of the road, not listening to orders, etc.
He was probably just going to drop it off at the police station to make sure it got off the street.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:50 pm to dsides
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Breaking news they just disclosed that pcp was recovered from the SUV.
and there it is
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:50 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's a sad statement within itself.
While it may be, it's just a reality. Your fight is in the courtroom, not the street.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:51 pm to RogerTheShrubber
comply, live, sue, profit
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:51 pm to TbirdSpur2010
quote:We drafted you on our team, yes you are.
I ain't white, breh.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:52 pm to beauchristopher
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just incompetence.. which is still A BIG DEAL.. but that is something we can all rally behind fighting.
People are going to make mistakes and human error will NEVER be eliminated. I don't know that police forces could even determine what candidates will be calm under pressure or not...training isn't real life.
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The problem is who is even going to want to be a cop in today's time?
exactly which will probably make for worse officers on the street in the future
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:52 pm to RogerTheShrubber
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That's a sad statement within itself.
You have to wonder if the same people that give up their rights so easily believe they live in a free country.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:52 pm to tgrbaitn08
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the statement by the chief of police was that he reached into the car
look at the video again and ready the statement
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Dashcam video also appears to show Crutcher's hands on top of the vehicle seconds before he was killed.
Looks like his hands are on top of the car and the window is up.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
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Thats half of it......he should have listened to the officer and NOT reached in his vehicle and he wouldn't be dead
You don't know that for sure. People have complied very specifically with cops and been shot. We do know with absolute certainty he that if the cop would not have been trigger-happy and shot him, he would not have died
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:53 pm to tgrbaitn08
quote:this thread has been a real eye opener on how fricking bored Tigerdroppings posters have to be at their jobs to have made a thread go this long, and include such vitriol and hate for so many pages when nobody knew a damn thing this entire time.
Breaking news they just disclosed that pcp was recovered from the SUV.
and there it is
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:53 pm to dsides
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Breaking news they just disclosed that pcp was recovered from the SUV. Not that that justifies the shooting but it certainly explains some things. Car parked in the middle of the road, not listening to orders, etc.
Yeah, if so, that doesn't look good for him.
That's why I am not even arguing this particular situation.
I still hope they continue to explore alternative actions.. but not any situation is ever the same.. and deserves its own appropriate response.
This post was edited on 9/20/16 at 1:54 pm
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:53 pm to dsides
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they just disclosed that pcp was recovered from the SUV.
explains why was was stopped in the middle of the road thinking his car was going to blow up and not complying with LEO orders......
He was high as frick on PCP
Did they ever figure out if his car was really broken down and what was wrong with it? If I had to guess, he was just being paranoid.
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:54 pm to LSUTANGERINE
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People have complied very specifically with cops and been shot. We do know with absolute certainty he that if the cop would not have been trigger-happy and shot him, he would not have died
And what percentage of the overall interactions with police would you say this is?
Posted on 9/20/16 at 1:54 pm to beauchristopher
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I know there can be physical or mental issues preventing that and you still may not deserve to be killed over it.
no denying that
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