re: police exchange gunfire with man on couch during no knock warrant at night

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You must be a cop, only people that are this stupid are cops

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Nope, but you must be a convicted felon. Only people that are this stupid would open fire on a swat team.

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thoughts

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no knock warrant

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The new catch phrase

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oh ok. a bunch of guys were yelling at his door for 7 seconds (at 5am) before breaking down the door. he definitely should have known it was cops.

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gotcha only cops do home invasions at night. no possible way that a criminal could claim they are a cop at all.

he was asleep and might not have even been conscious until the the battering ram hit the door. how many seconds do you think is a reasonable buffer, starting before you are even awake to assess the situation? hell, if im asleep you better give me at least 1 minute. he probably died before he had the chance to realize it was cops.



smh bootlickers support cops unnecessarily going shock-and-awe then blame civilians for reacting poorly when shocked-and-awed.

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I pointed out the fact that the police knocked and while they were announcing the guy shot through the door.

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Which part of your comment addressed that, for reference here's your words...

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Nope, but you must be a convicted felon. Only people that are this stupid would open fire on a swat team.

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Moreover, when it's all said and done, their actions will be deemed justified regardless of your personal feelings.

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Not at all. This type of bullshite is exactly how Indiana got the law that allows you to use force against law enforcement, when they've clearly fricked up.

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Bottom line, there is no safe way to serve a warrant, it's dangerous for all involved.

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That's exactly why warrants come with addresses and descriptions of the residence to be served.

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and often it's a police officer serving a "knock and announce" warrant who is killed.

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By often, you really mean way less frequently than those they are attempting to serve, right? According to the fbi statistics, found here, only 5 officers were killed serving warrants in 2019.

Since you're probably too lazy to look at the link provided, here's a picture.

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while they were knocking down the door the guy shot through the door.

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fify

Too bad he didn’t hit one in the face. Maybe we’d see some real change then.

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I pointed out the fact that the police knocked and while they were announcing the guy shot through the door.

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It's as if no one wants to admit this. dumbass was obviously coherent enough to hear them hollering "Police" and "search warrant" at him since he was able to shoot at them before they broke the door down, and by doing that he signed his death certificate.

I think no knock warrants are dumb and should go away, but who the frick sleeps on the coach with a loaded gun next to them and doesn't get up but takes a shot through his own door as police are trying to break it down?

I sleep with a gun next to my BED, IN A SAFE. i doubt i could have even gotten it out the safe from the time they started hollering to the time this idiot shot at them.

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Which part of your comment addressed that, for reference here's your words...
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Nope, but you must be a convicted felon. Only people that are this stupid would open fire on a swat team.

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Maybe a little context next time. It was word play responding to another poster who implied that I must be a cop to have an opinion so stupid. But you knew that or were to lazy to look at the other post.

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Moreover, when it's all said and done, their actions will be deemed justified regardless of your personal feelings.

Not at all. This type of bullshite is exactly how Indiana got the law that allows you to use force against law enforcement, when they've clearly fricked up.

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Well this didn't happen in Indiana did it. Also, they didn't clearly frick up and if prosecuted will be acquitted.

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Bottom line, there is no safe way to serve a warrant, it's dangerous for all involved.

That's exactly why warrants come with addresses and descriptions of the residence to be served.

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Irrelevant, it was the correct address and they most certainly had a description. Also, being that they were fired on before entering makes his description a moot point.

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By often, you really mean way less frequently than those they are attempting to serve, right? According to the fbi statistics, found here, only 5 officers were killed serving warrants in 2019.

Since you're probably too lazy to look at the link provided, here's a picture.

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Nope, I meant exactly what I said. However you want to interpret is up to you. I know three were ambushed while serving a warrant a few weeks ago in Houston.

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I know three were ambushed while serving a warrant a few weeks ago in Houston.

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Link it then

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at least from what we can tell from the video, they only announced for 5-6 seconds before the battering ram hit the door. Knock-and-announce criteria requires a reasonable amount of time for the occupant to allow their entry.

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That’s my problem with the video. It starts as they are breaking down the door. I’m immediately suspect of any videos that start right when the action does. For instance the George Floyd video. They didn’t release the whole thing until a year later. Where he’s got pills in his mouth and fighting in the back of the car.

What happened for the 30 minutes before they broke down the door. We’re they banging on the door or even talking to the guy and he just wouldn’t open up?

This type of warrant should be made illegal. Too much risk. Innocent adults/children being hurt/killed. Police being killed. For what ? Small time drug dealer? Just surround the place at 5:30 AM and wait for the perp to come outside and sic RinTinTin on him. No one gets hurt and the dog has some fun.