re: police exchange gunfire with man on couch during no knock warrant at night

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the other one also has a requirement for a reasonable amount of time to allow entry. so its not a no-knock, nor is it a proper knock-and-announce.

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It's a classic example of government.

Just like intel agencies.

"OK guys. They've given us these annoying rules we have to follow. Let's figure out how we can do exactly what we've always been doing, but be able to say we 'followed the rules'".

This was a straight up no knock PLANNED as a no knock that they threw some polish on.

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very obviously. even if he woke up at second 0 of them announcing, he had 6 seconds at most to develop an awareness of the situation, get up, unlock and open door.

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He'd have been luck to just end up knocked the frick down by the door.

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If im awake watching TV on my couch at 2 PM, 6 seconds is still unreasonable, I would probably burn the first 5 seconds wondering WTF is happening.

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You could be on the shitter. You could be in the shower. You could be pulling something out of the oven. A host of things.

"Knocking" with ZERO intention of getting a response isn't "knocking".

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That is not a no-knock.

They announced.

- and -

They knocked.

Then they entered.

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Another fool

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LAS VEGAS (AP) — A 19-year-old man killed in a shootout with Las Vegas police SWAT officers as they burst into an apartment was not the suspect in a murder investigation that prompted the raid, a department official said.

One officer was badly wounded, another received an arm wound and Isaiah Tyree Williams was killed in the pre-dawn shootout during the service of a search warrant Monday in southeast Las Vegas, Assistant Clark County Sheriff Andrew Walsh told reporters Thursday.

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So they got their own cops shot and killed a 19 year old sleeping on a couch…and then arrested the correct person of interest a few days later

Stellar police work, swat team

That poor guy was just scared out of his mind. This is why people hate cops.

I know there's a lot of people on here who dislike John Oliver, but his piece on Police Raids is really good viewing.

But this little quote from a Judge in Georgia is definitely worth looking at, especially for Shorty:

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As a judge in Georgia put it, “either the door comes in and people are yelling, “sheriff’s office” or people yell, “sheriff’s office” and the door comes in.” And that is fundamentally the same!

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A judge is in complete agreement with you Shorty!

As am I. These raids are bullshite. And innocent lives have been ruined because of them.

Like the poor guy in Mississippi who is on death row right now for killing a cop who was serving a no-knock at the wrong house.

He was trying to protect his infant when the cops started busting down his door. He jumped out of bed, grabbed his gun, and ran to his daughter's room, laid down and pointed the gun at the bedroom door. When it opened, he fired.

The cop who was killed was the son of the Sheriff. So he was charged with first degree murder and the State sought the death penalty.

Because the cops didn't check to make sure they were raiding the right address.



And that's just one of hundreds of fricked up cases spawned by this "policy".

And here's a clip of how idiotic the police are allowed to be when it comes to these things.

There is no reason to allow these morons to have military toys and use military tactics.

Timestamp of John Oliver, couldn't find another video of this



I mean, wow.


This video here should be enough to convince anyone that these are a bad idea.

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They better look like the fricking police because if they don’t my knock will be way louder than theirs.

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Yeah...


But their knock has more volume.

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It's literally not. It's extremely cut and dry. One has a notification prior to breaching and one doesn't.

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That's a distinction without a difference.

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It is nearly the definition of the difference without a distinction. It is similar to a version of the legal fiction "constructive notice". It doesn't matter whether the person received notice just that they should have based on some fact pattern.

I understand why cops do these raids at night but it further increases the odds the person inside does not receive actual notice.

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Is anyone else surprised at the amount of rounds the guy on the couch is still getting off considering the number of times he had to have been hit in just those few seconds ?

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Terminal Gunshot wound shite can be really weird.