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Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:51 am to NIH
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while we held their hands
we couldn't do that forever. the fact that these militants have basically run through the country in a week shows you how prepared and stable they were. might as well just let it burn.
So we should let ISIS establish their own fundamentalist Islamic state? Pray tell what do you think would result from that?
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Posted on 6/16/14 at 11:52 am to TigersSEC2010
Expect U.S. intervention. Must protect the petro dollar.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:00 pm to Mootsman
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Expect U.S. intervention. Must protect the petro dollar.
There is far more at stake here that oil. If this situation results in the total collapse of Iraq we'll see first a civil war between the three sides in Iraq that very well could trigger an even bigger regional war involving players like Iran, Turkey, and Saudi Arabia. The whole region could be burning within months. From that point there is no telling the chain reaction that follows.
Bottom line is that allowing Iraq to fracture and slide into civil war is to invite disaster.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 12:01 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:02 pm to Darth_Vader
Sure
It looks like the only thing that would work for those savages would be a dictator, and since that isn't happening might as well just let whatever happens happen.
It looks like the only thing that would work for those savages would be a dictator, and since that isn't happening might as well just let whatever happens happen.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:04 pm to Darth_Vader
Right and who gives a shite about the middle east with the sole exception of supporting the petro dollar. Nobody ever gave a frick ab that area until the gold standard was replaced.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:13 pm to Darth_Vader
Nice article..
Why do you think A- Sadr turned the Jayish Al Mahadi into the "freedom Brigade" and at the same time Al-Qaeda in Iraq steered towards Syria not even a year after an early withdrawal was announced? Both sides withdrew arms, massed money and supplies (Sadr gained Religous status to Clergy) so they could resume the fight upon our withdrawal. Democracy wasn't working because of our presence or what we had achieved, democracy was working temporarily because it had been forced upon them and we were headed out the door.
It looked like deomcracy, but nobody there believed in it and as soon as our withdrawal was prompted every single citizen there knew what was about to happen.
You're close, but it really is that simple and you have to start thinking of a region of the middle east in it's sectarian lines and how they operate before you understand their faux government and politics.
Why do you think A- Sadr turned the Jayish Al Mahadi into the "freedom Brigade" and at the same time Al-Qaeda in Iraq steered towards Syria not even a year after an early withdrawal was announced? Both sides withdrew arms, massed money and supplies (Sadr gained Religous status to Clergy) so they could resume the fight upon our withdrawal. Democracy wasn't working because of our presence or what we had achieved, democracy was working temporarily because it had been forced upon them and we were headed out the door.
It looked like deomcracy, but nobody there believed in it and as soon as our withdrawal was prompted every single citizen there knew what was about to happen.
You're close, but it really is that simple and you have to start thinking of a region of the middle east in it's sectarian lines and how they operate before you understand their faux government and politics.
This post was edited on 6/16/14 at 12:37 pm
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:15 pm to Mootsman
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Right and who gives a shite about the middle east with the sole exception of supporting the petro dollar. Nobody ever gave a frick ab that area until the gold standard was replaced.
So your solution is to just say "frick it" and let the chips fall where they may?
I ask again, what outcome to this strategy (I use that term loosely here) do you see happening?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:40 pm to Darth_Vader
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So your solution is to just say "frick it" and let the chips fall where they may?
it's hard to defeat an idealogy that they have followed for 1400 years
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:42 pm to Darth_Vader
It's quite simple actually....
Atomic bomb beats foot - foot beats cockroach - cockroach beats atomic bomb
Circle of life
Atomic bomb beats foot - foot beats cockroach - cockroach beats atomic bomb
Circle of life
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:42 pm to monsterballads
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it's hard to defeat an idealogy that they have followed for 1400 years
Fair enough. Now with that in mind, once again I ask... what outcome do you see from us allowing Iraq to fracture and this ISIS group setting up their own state?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:44 pm to ClydeFrog
quote:This should tell you something.
Finally, they've been described as "too extreme for al Qaeda"
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:45 pm to Darth_Vader
So Im going to axx again... are these the same terrorist fricks trying to liberate Syria? And we were going to arm them?
So they now leave Syria after being unsuccessful and move on to Iraq for easier hunting grounds? Is this how this worked?
So they now leave Syria after being unsuccessful and move on to Iraq for easier hunting grounds? Is this how this worked?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:45 pm to Mr. Hangover
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It's quite simple actually....
Atomic bomb beats foot - foot beats cockroach - cockroach beats atomic bomb
Circle of life
Well you actually bring up a good point. If you look at history you'll see that the US faced a similar enemy in Japan as we do against these Islamic terrorists. The only way were able to make the Japanese accept defeat was when we made it clear to them the only alternative to surrender was virtual national extinction.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:50 pm to Darth_Vader
No I'm saying that in order to support the Feds initiative which is controlled by Wall St. we will see U.S. military intervention. The U.S. will do anything to keep the petro dollar stabilized.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:53 pm to Count Chocula
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So Im going to axx again... are these the same terrorist fricks trying to liberate Syria?
From what I understand they are the same, or at least partially.
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And we were going to arm them?
We were supporting the rebels in Syria. But we're not supporting them in Iraq. In fact there is serious discussion of us teaming up with Iran (yes, I said Iran) in trying to stop them in Iraq.
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So they now leave Syria after being unsuccessful and move on to Iraq for easier hunting grounds? Is this how this worked?
They're still fighting there. I believe their eventual end-goal is their own Islamic state carved out of Iraq and Syria. This would be an unmitigated disaster for the entire world.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:54 pm to Darth_Vader
If we go back, and I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, you have to cut the reins and let the troops do troop things.
You have to go in there and be violent and break their will to fight, not this pansy pussy footing shite we were doing my last 2 tours. Take the politics out of it and bring the fight to them every minute of every day.
That's the only way to "win" with these people.
You have to go in there and be violent and break their will to fight, not this pansy pussy footing shite we were doing my last 2 tours. Take the politics out of it and bring the fight to them every minute of every day.
That's the only way to "win" with these people.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:55 pm to Mootsman
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No I'm saying that in order to support the Feds initiative which is controlled by Wall St. we will see U.S. military intervention. The U.S. will do anything to keep the petro dollar stabilized.
Ok... I'll ask you the same question I keep asking and cannot seem to get anyone to answer. If we do nothing and ISIS succeeds in bringing about the collapse of Iraq, what will this mean to the world?
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:57 pm to brass2mouth
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If we go back, and I'm not saying we should or shouldn't, you have to cut the reins and let the troops do troop things.
You have to go in there and be violent and break their will to fight, not this pansy pussy footing shite we were doing my last 2 tours. Take the politics out of it and bring the fight to them every minute of every day.
That's the only way to "win" with these people.
You're exactly right. Sadly this line of thinking is now seen as antiquated.... and that's one of the main reasons there is such a mess as is seen now.
Posted on 6/16/14 at 12:59 pm to Darth_Vader
The American government has to make sure they handle foreign policy like they do their own... Everybody gets a trophy... We're too soft on these bastards
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