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re: Plane that departed Gonzales has crashed in Tennessee.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:08 am to RaoulDuke504
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:08 am to RaoulDuke504
Dad joined the Marines during WWII as a pilot and flew for 32 years (including tours of Vietnam and Korea). He flew helicopters, jets, amphibians, multi-engine props. Had a ton of hours. When he retired, he bought a Cessna 172, Easy plane to get in and out of, and as he said "he wasn't in a hurry to go anywhere."
Some kid did his test for his private pilot's license. The kid thought it was hilarious.
Without fail, Dad would always inspect the plane from the outside, and he would go through his checklist without exception.
Some kid did his test for his private pilot's license. The kid thought it was hilarious.
Without fail, Dad would always inspect the plane from the outside, and he would go through his checklist without exception.
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Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:09 am to chinhoyang
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Dad would always inspect the plane from the outside, and he would go through his checklist without exception.
not only a good practice, but a requirement
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:11 am to Lsupimp
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Taking a private airplane from Gonzales to Louisville is a perfectly acceptable risk
I guess. I think there is a lot hubris involved. I mean the plane is known as a doctor killer. He has to have known that.
It’s a tragic scenario but I’ll just never understand wanting to fly your own plane. I get it as a hobby but why bring your kids onboard? The sister could have flown to Baton Rouge for the graduation for probably $250. How much more convenient is it for them to fly there and pick her up.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:14 am to Knuckle Checker
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How much more convenient is it for them to fly there and pick her up.
Clearly the decision was joy and not convenience
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:14 am to Knuckle Checker
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How much more convenient is it for them to fly there and pick her up.
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I get it as a hobby
Answered your own question. Maybe they liked flying.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:16 am to Knuckle Checker
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the plane is known as a doctor killer.
the plane doesn't have any vendetta against doctors
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why bring your kids onboard
this its the real tragedy, you know the kids looked up to their dad, had complete trust in him and had zero concerns, two seemingly brilliant futures wiped out before they're really started
Posted on 5/17/24 at 11:38 am to Czechessential
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the plane doesn't have any vendetta against doctors
I get that. I would just think it would be a reminder that it’s not a rare event for those things to go down.
I’m not trying to say he did anything wrong. I guess I just assess risk differently and if I loved flying I would probably keep my 3 kids out of it.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 12:47 pm to RaoulDuke504
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I have a rule I will never get on a small plane or helicopter they are literally death machines
Do you walk everywhere while wearing a bulletproof vest and a helmet?
Everything in life has risk and an automobile is just a “dangerous” as a small GA airplane.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 12:54 pm to Thorny
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In my private lessons and Air Force Nav Training 30 years ago, I was taught 500 hours was early in the "I've got this" window where pilots start subconsciously thinking "I've seen everything." It leads to unearned relaxation in the cockpit, which can lead to a pilot not paying enough attention to the small things that can get him/her in trouble.
It’s interesting you say this.
500 hours is the top of the bell curve for GA pilots as far as crashes and accidents go. Once pilots pass the 500 hour mark the statistics start to decline. (For VFR at least). IFR statistics trend more to 800-900 hours.
That’s usually the time that an individual pilot starts “feeling” the plane and begins to trust its movement. Some pilots continue to progress with skill, while others tend to “settle” and those that settle are flying hazardously.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 9:09 pm to hottub
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Quite the opposite. 500 hours in a f-4/15 is a lot of work.
Average military pilot probably flies 80 to 100 hours per year. A civilian probably flies 50. The poster stated that she only had 500 hours of flight time and that was why she crashed. 500 hours is a lot of flight time for a civilian amateur pilot.
Flying a fighter jet has zero to do with what we were talking about.
Posted on 5/17/24 at 9:25 pm to highcotton2
Man this is such a terrible story I knew the family years back they used to live in my neighborhood in BR. It’s so unfair that good people have to endure pain like this.
Posted on 5/18/24 at 7:01 pm to 9Fiddy
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Big altitude increase with drop to 100 knots then the last reading was a vertical speed of -26,000 fpm.
Damn so they had probably 20-30 seconds of free falling. Hard to think about.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 11:21 am to MikeD
This is the obituary or obituaries. It strikes me as strange that the children don't have their own obituary in each of their names. No survivors listed for the children. Obviously, the father's survivors are also theirs, but I thought their mother survived them as well. I know folks do things differently and certainly where there are multiple deaths.
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Posted on 5/21/24 at 12:21 pm to Knuckle Checker
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I get that. I would just think it would be a reminder that it’s not a rare event for those things to go down.
And mostly pilot error.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:06 pm to aTmTexas Dillo
I sure would like to know what the weather radar looked like where he was flying.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 2:09 pm to Knuckle Checker
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I get it as a hobby but why bring your kids onboard?
I'm the same way but that's just my personal choice. Unless I had something with two engines and additional safety redundancies I'm not going far with either of my family members and never both kids at once.
It's a little Cessna, not a Gulfstream.
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:04 pm to Lithium
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So a lot of professionals (like doctors) bought it with it's 285-300 HP engine right after getting their pilot's license. So it was like getting your 16 year old a ferrari
My FIL bought one but only after being able to work into it after 1,000+ of hours flying a complex airplane. You take a person with unlimited resources and they can buy themselves into a sexy plane that they get behind really quickly.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 3:07 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:38 pm to Heyes
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Heyes
I sure would like to know what the weather radar looked like where he was flying.
weather looked bad that day along his route of flight, doubt he had on on board radar, probably just looking at his iPad
Posted on 5/21/24 at 3:50 pm to 9Fiddy
I’m no expert but a sudden 2,000 foot increase in elevation looks like they got caught in an updraft and then lost control trying to recover or there was a malfunction with the auto pilot in that situation.
Even when flying under regular cumulus clouds in a private plane you can feel the updrafts and down drafts when you fly under them. It’s wild. Major storms are not to be fricked with.
26,000 fps descent is no joke.
On a side note I had started flying and the ground school for my PPL shortly after my wife and I got married. She was all for it as her dad flew. I decided not to because it didn’t feel comfortable I’d have the time and money to pursue it the way you need to.
I don’t want a hobby that could kill me if I can’t do it for a few months.
This post was edited on 5/21/24 at 3:54 pm
Posted on 5/21/24 at 4:19 pm to SquatchDawg
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caught in an updraft and then lost control
sounds very likely, and spatial disorientation quickly ensued, really feel bad about the terror those kids must have been experiencing
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malfunction with the auto pilot in that situa
autopilot would disengage at that point, speculating without having more data but it looks like doc stuck his nose into some really bad weather that neither he nor his airplane had any business being near
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