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Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:25 pm to 777Tiger
Not a lack of gas but contaminated gas.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:29 pm to hottub
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:32 pm to GeorgePaton
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Actually I was wondering how much time those folks in that airplane had to get square with their maker, since it was obvious they were about to meet Him shortly.
NTSB said the plane was in the air less than a minute. And with the clouds at 200’, then they would have had probably <10 seconds after coming into view of the ground. Not long.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:36 pm to MikeD
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Actually I was wondering how much time those folks in that airplane had to get square with their maker, since it was obvious they were about to meet Him shortly.
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NTSB said the plane was in the air less than a minute. And with the clouds at 200’, then they would have had probably <10 seconds after coming into view of the ground. Not long.
doubt anyone but the pilot knew it was over
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:38 pm to 777Tiger
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doubt anyone but the pilot knew it was over
Can only hope that was the case. 777, since you are a pilot I'm sure he did give them some type of warning at the last second ?
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:40 pm to 91TIGER
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I'm sure he did give them some type of warning at the last second ?
was probably trying to summons up everything he could do to save himself, right up to the end of his life, doubt it
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:42 pm to 777Tiger
Anyone know the deal with the lone survivor?
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:42 pm to hottub
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So the airplane dropped 325 ft in 16 seconds if my math is right. Yikes!
If my math is right that doesn’t seem very fast
Eta: 325 ft per sec is 220 mph
This was the whole message. The ETA uses 325ft / 1 sec in the calculation, while the original used 325ft / 16 sec. I calculated for 16 seconds, which correctly comes out to 13.85 mi/hr, while the ETA calculated for 1 second. 13.85 * 16 = 220
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:43 pm to tonydtigr
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This was the whole message. The ETA uses 325ft / 1 sec in the calculation, while the original used 325ft / 16 sec. I calculated for 16 seconds, which correctly comes out to 13.85 mi/hr, while the ETA calculated for 1 second. 13.85 * 16 = 220
who gives a flying frick? the ground stopped them
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:46 pm to BilJ
Doctors had a press conference yesterday and said he's still in a medically induced coma at Our Lady of Lourdes Burn Unit. Did say he has a great chance to make it b/c he has several factors in his favor but that it was going to be a long process. I don't know how accurate that is maybe someone close w/ the family could advise.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 3:48 pm to tonydtigr
The vertical speed of the airplane doesn’t have anything to do with forward speed of the airplane. What are you math nerds arguing about.
And what I mean is that while yes, when you go into a dive your airspeed increases unless you reduce thrust, when the two are spoken about in aviation they are separate. The forward airspeed is 220, or whatever it is, and the verticale speed is about 1000ft per minute. Which is was 325’ in 16 seconds would be.
There’s actually to know what the forward airspeed of the airplane was just by look at its vertical speed. Maybe flight aware shows it’s last know airspeed over the ground. I don’t know. But stop trying to figure out how fast the plane was going by it’s descent rate.
ETA: like 777 said, the planes last known airspeed was exactly zero
And what I mean is that while yes, when you go into a dive your airspeed increases unless you reduce thrust, when the two are spoken about in aviation they are separate. The forward airspeed is 220, or whatever it is, and the verticale speed is about 1000ft per minute. Which is was 325’ in 16 seconds would be.
There’s actually to know what the forward airspeed of the airplane was just by look at its vertical speed. Maybe flight aware shows it’s last know airspeed over the ground. I don’t know. But stop trying to figure out how fast the plane was going by it’s descent rate.
ETA: like 777 said, the planes last known airspeed was exactly zero
This post was edited on 12/31/19 at 3:49 pm
Posted on 12/31/19 at 9:30 pm to EA6B
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There is no shortage of NTSB accident reports where a multi thousand hour pilot with commercial or even ATP rating got distracted on takeoff, and failed to maintain control of the plane.
If you read through the accident history on this aircraft type most common accident causes are single engine out pilot losing control roll/dive, pilot losing control in IFR with no mechanical issues, and a bunch of gear up landings (a lot of gear up landings).
I fly a decent amount and often end up right seat with our very experienced pilot. He's retired from flying big metal, 727, DC10, 777, and a bunch of smaller lears, citations, challengers etc, and owns a handful of smaller piston planes.
I recently flew right seat with him in a TBM (single engine turbo prop) in some nasty weather on departure, we had an issue with the electronics not communicating to one another, this throws a warning but also disables a bunch of automated warnings etc. I did a little trouble shooting while our pilot flew, ended up just being an update mismatch, fixed itself on reboot once on ground.
Had a conversation after about how you could see where a single pilot and especially someone with less experience could get lost in troubleshooting and let the plane get away from them.
It was very interesting hearing some of his opinions on pilot training/experience levels etc...
One part that stood out in turbo props, things happen fast, a lot faster than a piston plane, but they are often flown by guys with little or no jet time, often single pilot, and due to the pressurized cabin/higher ceiling/range they tend to get used in a lot more IFR when a piston guy would just stay home. Usually a chain reaction starts with an unexpected problem or unusual event workload spikes and things rapidly spiral out of control.
Posted on 12/31/19 at 10:11 pm to tes fou
A few years ago in Baton Rouge, a full time corporate pilot with around 6500 hours, ATP rating, type ratings in King Air, and several biz jets, took off in a King Air from BTR single pilot, on a clear VFR type day. It was a brand new King Air he was ferrying for the new owners. The plane had a “glass cockpit”, and according to what the NTSB learned it was not a configuration he normally flew. From the CVR recording they learned that after wheels up he started to fiddle with something on the avionics, and did not notice his airspeed was decaying. By the time he realized what was happening the stall warning had been going off for awhile He was low and slow, and only had enough time to hit the PTT button and say “I’m going to crash” before hitting the ground. He had flown a friend of mine for business many times , was as professional, experienced, and level headed as you could get, but just 60 seconds of being distracted got him killed.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 12:21 pm to tonydtigr
VV is different than forward speed.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 1:26 pm to EA6B
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He had flown a friend of mine for business many times , was as professional, experienced, and level headed as you could get, but just 60 seconds of being distracted got him killed.
Your story is like a race car driver that texts and drives. Flying in itself is not that dangerous if you simply fly conservatively. I don’t know what happened here, but it’s not difficult to simply talk off straight away and head for altitude. No turning or change in direction except gaining altitude. You can’t get disoriented if all you do is head in one direction.
Trouble starts when you are turning at 500 ft already, hitting a switch, talking about the game later that day, and otherwise not flying conservatively until you have some altitude.
This story here and possibly this Lafayette crash everything coming out is potential human error. That doesn’t mean the pilot was bad or a bar person or anything else. Like texting and driving, it’s all good until you have to make a split second decision and not watching.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 1:37 pm to baldona
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You can’t get disoriented if all you do is head in one direction
Yes you can.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 1:39 pm to baldona
Except he took off heading NE
came all the way around and crashed SW of the airport while trying to line the plane up to the runway he just left from
How does that indicate pilot error to you? Whatever happened right after take off, that plane was in trouble and the pilot as doing everything he could to get back to the airport or find somewhere to put it on the ground safely
came all the way around and crashed SW of the airport while trying to line the plane up to the runway he just left from
How does that indicate pilot error to you? Whatever happened right after take off, that plane was in trouble and the pilot as doing everything he could to get back to the airport or find somewhere to put it on the ground safely
Posted on 1/1/20 at 1:48 pm to GeauxxxTigers23
quote:The notorious “impact with terrain” is pretty much undefeated.
ETA: like 777 said, the planes last known airspeed was exactly zero
Tough deal for the victims & friends/family.
Posted on 1/1/20 at 2:29 pm to baldona
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You can’t get disoriented if all you do is head in one direction.
Research the leans. Numerous times at straight and level, I would have bet my last dollar I was in a 45 degree bank turn by what I felt. Fortunately, I always trusted my instruments.
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