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re: Plane collides with helicopter over Reagan International Airport; Looking in Potomac

Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:24 am to
Posted by tiger91
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:24 am to
Pete just starting after a contentious appointment process. I know he’ll handle it well and the left will give him hell.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:25 am to
If this transcript is accurate, the runway change may have been due to winds gusting to 25kts at nearly a cross wind for runway 1. (320/17G25)
Not likely out of limits but sub optimal. Whereas, runway 33 would have put them coming in with the wind.

Caveat, I saw this last night but havent heard entire audio yet. reddit
quote:

Blue Streak 5342 is the CRJ. Pat 25 is the helo

4 mins prior to crash: "Tower, Blue Streak 5342 on Mount Vernon Visual Runway 1"

"Blue Streak 5342, Washington Tower, winds are 320/17G25 can you take Runway 33?"

30 sec pause

"Yeah we can do Runway 33 for Bluestreak 5342"

"Bluestreak 5342 (unclear) bridge make the turn for 33, cleared to land 33"

"Change to Runway 33, cleared to land 33 bluestreak 5342"


This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:31 am
Posted by H2O Tiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:27 am to
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IDK if it's still true but apparently ATC diverted the airplane from 1 runway to another..


They were alternating between Runway 1 and Runway 33 at the time. Both were actively being used.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:27 am to
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Legitimate question for those who are saying that the helicopter likely got the plane that they were instructed to be behind confused with another. From the video, to me it looks like the other plane is ascending or taking off from the airport. The helicopter pilot should pretty easily be able to tell which planes are landing vs taking off, no? Genuinely curious as I keep seeing this theory but feel like I’m missing something which I probably am.


The video angle and subsequent commentary is extremely misleading. The airplane taking off would have been on the opposite side of the airport. I’d say extremely low possibility he ever even saw the departing aircraft.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:30 am to
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That makes more sense that the plane in the video isn’t the one they got confused with. I just kept seeing comments like the below tweet and thought I was missing something


Yes - that commentary is just flat out wrong, IMO. That he begins his sentence with “As a pilot” - and then asserts that a departing aircraft could have caused the confusion is laughable, if not troubling.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:37 am
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:31 am to
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A couple other planes requested to land on runway 33, so it is common enough that pilots know they can request it.


Extremely common at DCA, because landing on 33 gives them a much quicker taxi to the gate without having to cross another active runway.
Posted by genuineLSUtiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:32 am to
What Clinton associate was flying on that plane?
Posted by 777Tiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:32 am to
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That he begins his sentence with “As a pilot”


there are some real quacks that they always trot out as "aviation experts" whenever there's an accident/incident, some of the dumbest comments are usually the initial ones, everyone has to be the first expert to render an opinion
Posted by Fishwater
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:34 am to
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Dulles has 4 runways that can be used simultaneously

DCA can only use 1 at a time


but I thought the AA flight was moved from Runway 1 to 33 for the landing because a plane was n the runway for take off runway 1?
Posted by m57
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:35 am to
I believe JIA requested 33 because at DCA they load/unload passengers on the ramp right by where they exit the runway, not entirely sure about that.
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:36 am to
The ground video is like a rorschach test for whether or not someone has ability to spatially orient and/or put oneself into someone else's perspective. Definitely concerning if a pilot doesnt grasp that video isnt oriented in same direction of the aircraft involved.
Posted by NorthEndZone
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:37 am to
What are the odds that two aircraft moving in three dimensions at about 200 feet per second, which is double and triple the length of the aircraft, hit each other?

Has to be extremely small chance but obviously not zero. Nearly the same conditions could have occurred within a fraction of a second difference in time, and the collision would not have happened.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:39 am to
Here’s another. Of course, these takes get thousands of views. This guy flies a single engine seaplane, & based on his profile and other posts - likely never even landed at a Class B airport, but here he is… dishing out bad info as “expert opinion.”

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Posted by SWLA92
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:47 am to
The near accidents seem to be happening more and more now a-days
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:48 am to
The departing plane was a mile and half away by the time of the collision. It’s a race to see who can smell their own farts the most between the fake pilots of twitter. The helicopter was going to pass south of dca and the planes were departing north. It’s not possible to confuse a plane on the ground and departing north with the plane you need to stay behind when you’re passing south of the airport. Just using logic, the traffic you need to watch would be approaching ahead of you and to your left.
Posted by IT_Dawg
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:48 am to
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I believe JIA requested 33 because at DCA they load/unload passengers on the ramp right by where they exit the runway, not entirely sure about that.


Not sure where you are getting this, but that is not accurate. In the audio we have been discussing since last night, ATC clearly asks 5342 if they can redirect from R1 to R33 and confirming with them that their plane can do the shorter runway
Posted by TorchtheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:49 am to
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What are the odds that two aircraft moving in three dimensions at about 200 feet per second, which is double and triple the length of the aircraft, hit each other?
Big sky theory. Works everytime until it doesnt.
That's why every near miss is a safety event and military aircrews are encouraged/required to file Hazardous Air Traffic Report (HATR). Civilians have the Aviation Safety Reporting System (ASRS).
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:53 am
Posted by The Boat
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:54 am to
What’s sad is the plane that was on R1 was in the air by the time they got there. If they’re just a handful of seconds later leading up to arrival they could have landed on R1.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:58 am
Posted by flyingtexastiger
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Member since Oct 2005
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:56 am to
For everyone discussing their boat collision avoidance, imagine trying to pull up at Crab Island. At some point it becomes useless because it’s giving you a thousand warnings about things that are very low threat.

Same situation with aircraft TCAS systems. With all of the airplanes moving around the point you are attempting to land on at some point the info is useless at best and distracting at worst, so the system is designed to deescalate the warnings the closer you get to landing. I E it won’t give you a “Fly Down” Resolution Advisory command below a certain altitude to try not to fly you into the ground. Certainly approaches we fly and emergency procedures direct you to switch the system to “Traffic Alert” mode only to prevent spurious and unnecessary commands.
Posted by Tuscaloosa
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Posted on 1/30/25 at 9:58 am to
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Not sure where you are getting this, but that is not accurate.


It’s partially accurate. 33 often allows for a much quicker taxi to the gate, without having to stop & wait for clearance to cross another runway or heat up the brakes trying to make it off before the runways intersect.
This post was edited on 1/30/25 at 9:58 am
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