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re: Pic from the Battle of Stalingrad NSFW
Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:41 pm to Sasquatch Smash
Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:41 pm to Sasquatch Smash
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Coming soon to a Woke America near you.
Not sure why the down votes.
Stacked bodies is always the end result of communism.
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Posted on 2/8/22 at 2:45 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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Russia just had far more manufacturing manpower and material and were churning out tanks and aircraft at a rate that vastly exceeded Germany.
mostly due to lend-lease. Forget the 1/3 of trucks and planes, food and raw material. The Russian oil supply was mostly American refined high octane fuel.
ungrateful commies won the war via capitalist manufacturing.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:09 pm to michael corleone
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Given the situation in Sept 1942, if they had simply by passed Stalingrad they likely take the Caucasuses and open fuel supplies
That's is exactly what Hitler should have done but his ego got in the way. By not taking the Caucasus, he left his troops in a pitched battle with no supplies. It's believed that tens of thousands starved to death. That allowed the Soviets to gather 1-1.5 million troops to launch counter attack. Had they bypassed Stalingrad and took the oil fields they could have moved up anytime and take Stalingrad.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:11 pm to Tmcgin
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Hitler the worst general ever....I mean ever
Well, he was just an Obergefreiter, so...
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:24 pm to doubleb
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Your timeline is way off
Germany invaded Poland 9/1/39
England and France declared war on Germany on September 3, 1940. If he had spent all year anticipating and preparing for that, he could've taken out France before the end of '39 instead of dicking around during the Phoney War phase doing what he should've been doing in early '39.
Look at the period on your timeline from when Poland is invaded and Denmark. That was wasted time. If he was going to invade Poland, he knew England and France would declare war, he should've been ready for that.
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...allow England and France alone.
As brilliant as his campaign against France was, he totally blundered against England. He should've listened to Donutz and just used u-boats against England, and told Goring to frick off and concentrate on the East.
That's kind of my point, it's not my time line that's off, it was Hitler's - in order to accomplish his ultimate goal of Lebensraum. The fact is that, as successful as the Wehrmacht was against Poland and France, they were simply not prepared for war in 1940.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:34 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
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It can’t be overstated how detrimental Pearl Harbor was for the German war effort though.
Why? Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around. It was a pipe dream hope that the japs would declare war on the Soviets.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:41 pm to IAmNERD
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The Pacific was pretty horrible on its own, but the eastern front was a whole other animal.
I don't know, I'd take bodies frozen in the snow over rotting in the jungle. Have you read any accounts of the New Guinea campaign? Brutal.
Not to mention Guadalcanal. Wounds just wouldn't heal in that climate, too many opportunistic organisms.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:43 pm to Mstate
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The stories of what Soviet soldiers would do to German women as they made their way into prussia/eastern Germany is downright appalling and very sad. Sure, it wasn’t all Soviet soldiers (there were some good ones that protected the innocent) but most of them came for revenge
"Come and See" is a great movie (drama) that covers the German invasion of Russia (mostly the Ukraine) and the atrocities they committed. The poor Ukrainians caught it from both sides as the Germans were vicious as they moved across and the Russians had a scorched earth policy as they retreated.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 3:47 pm to bayoudude
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U boats were sinking all kinds of shite in the Gulf of Mexico and the Atlantic seaboard
Only through about the summer of 42. By then the convoy system had begun to defend shipping better, and blackouts were finally declared in coastal cities so shipping wouldn't be silhouetted.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:15 pm to Big Scrub TX
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As horrific as D-Day was
That's what we're taught, but the truth is that every beach except Omaha went pretty smoothly.
Beaches:
Utah - 21,000 landed, 197 casualties.
Gold - 25,000 landed, 1,000 casualties
Juno - 21,000 landed, 961 casualties.
Sword - 29,000 landed, 683 casualties.
Omaha - 34,000 landed, 2,400 casualties.
Airborne - 13,000 landed:
101st - 1,240 casualties.
82nd - 1,259 casualties.
A lot is made of the carnage at Omaha Beach, but it was the airborne troops that had the highest loss rates.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:15 pm to WildTchoupitoulas
Russia was Hitler's downfall. If he hadn't invaded the world would be a much different place right now. I don't know if the allies could have liberated Europe with him losing 750K troops and supplies.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:16 pm to DavidTheGnome
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Hitler declared war on the US not the other way around. It was a pipe dream
I wouldn't say it was a pie dream as much as it meant he could finally conduct unrestricted u-boat warfare on American shipping going to Britain.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:30 pm to bayoudude
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Had hitler left mother Russia alone it would have been a different ballgame
If Hitler leaves Russia alone and Japan doesn't bomb PH London would have fallen and the Axis powers at a minimum would have kept Europe and a huge chunk of costal Asia. We probably would have been able to protect ourselves but would not have been able to go on the offensive if they had time to solidify their gains before attacking.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:30 pm to Riseupfromtherubble
Except, the Russian economy was on the verge of collapse. There were peace feelers out out by the Russians as late as '43.
Hitler either needed to forgo hitting France in the West and attacking Stalin in '40 (gambling France would never invade him from the West. Good gamble given France's actions in the interwar years and aborted Saar offensive).
As anti-Russian and communist as Churchill was, I'd bet he'd like to watch Germany and the USSR go at it from the sidelines.
Pretty thought-provoking discussion about Russian peace feelers
Hitler either needed to forgo hitting France in the West and attacking Stalin in '40 (gambling France would never invade him from the West. Good gamble given France's actions in the interwar years and aborted Saar offensive).
As anti-Russian and communist as Churchill was, I'd bet he'd like to watch Germany and the USSR go at it from the sidelines.
Pretty thought-provoking discussion about Russian peace feelers
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 5:12 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:31 pm to Kino74
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That's is exactly what Hitler should have done but his ego got in the way. By not taking the Caucasus, he left his troops in a pitched battle with no supplies. It's believed that tens of thousands starved to death. That allowed the Soviets to gather 1-1.5 million troops to launch counter attack. Had they bypassed Stalingrad and took the oil fields they could have moved up anytime and take Stalingrad.
Except Army Group B needed to secure the massive open flank of Army Group A as it drove further south. Taking Stalingrad was key to anchoring the entire lines eastern flank on defensible terrain. The problem was Army Group B didn't even have enough manpower to secure it's own flanks leaving the task to badly under equipped Romanians and Italians.
If you are looking to understand how critical flank security was to Case Blue look how the Soviets in December nearly managed to roll up Army Group B and cut off Army Group A in the Caucasus.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:37 pm to UAinSOUTHAL
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Russia was Hitler's downfall.
Russia was Hitler's entire goal. He probably wouldn't have even invaded France if they hadn't declared war on him after he invaded Poland - on his way to invading Russia.
Think about it, he went East first. Then had to turn his attention West momentarily. Then it was back to the East after the frogs croaked.
I don't think he even seriously considered invading England until he got the big head when he saw how easy France went down.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:42 pm to SmelvinRat
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Could only imagine the smell
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:44 pm to partyboy1930
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The drug they were on was Pervitin
Known now as Methamphetamine. It fueled the Nazis. They could march for days! They, as Hitler, were Meth heads, and it did them in.
Hitler's generals knew he went crazy. Too bad their assassination attempt failed.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 5:02 pm
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:44 pm to Cfrobel
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Taking Stalingrad was key to anchoring the entire lines eastern flank on defensible terrain.
The Germans did not have to take Stalingrad, They could have used the network of rivers to set up a defense line per the initial plan. Going after Stalingrad and the oil was too much. Studying out of Stalingrad, but cutting the Volga was the safer plan.
But the oil was fools gold in a way. The Russians didn’t leave the walks pumping and the Germans had no real way to get the oil back home to be refined.
Posted on 2/8/22 at 4:50 pm to Pisgah Pete
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Not sure why the down votes.
Stacked bodies is always the end result of communism.
Especially considering the current regime’s desire to expand the Capital Police across the country, the creation of an anti-government/anti-domestic terrorism branch of the Justice Department, and Homeland Security saying questioning the government is terrorism.
Throw on top of that the way tyrannical diversity and inclusion type ideology has gone from academia into the private sector, and one has to conclude they just aren’t paying attention to the the path we seem to be headed down.
ETA: I’m referring to the creation of Diversity and Inclusion officers and departments in companies and schools.
This post was edited on 2/8/22 at 5:20 pm
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