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Philadelphia becomes first large city to ban stops for minor traffic violations

Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:42 pm
Posted by Will Cover
St. Louis, MO
Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:42 pm
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The city council passed a bill that bans traffic stops for minor violations, such as having a broken taillight or not having certain stickers displayed. Drivers who are guilty of those minor violations will instead receive a warning or a citation in the mail.


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“So that an expired license plate or fuzzy dice in the mirror isn’t a death sentence that it can be in some cases,” said Councilmember Curtis Jones Jr., who is a co-sponsor of the Driving Equality Bill.


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Jones said the city reviewed 2.8 million stops and found that Philadelphia police pull over a disproportionate number of black drivers for minor violations.


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“People of color were found to be three times more likely to be stopped by police, and in particular ZIP codes, in areas, for traveling through non-minority areas,” Jones said.


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And Louisiana still has the highest auto insurance rates ...
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 10:44 pm
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37547 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:44 pm to
I’m actually ok with this. Stop the pretense of pulling people over for truly a victimless crime just in hopes of catching a bigger one.
Posted by teke184
Zachary, LA
Member since Jan 2007
95831 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:45 pm to
Getting pulled over by a cop isn’t typically fatal unless you have a real retard like the guy in Minny who shot the woman for no reason.

What tends to happen is that someone who already has warrants out on them gets pulled over and gets desperate because they don’t want to go back to jail.


Of course, the easy way to fix that is STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLES!, but it is apparently racist to think people could actually follow the law.
Posted by imjustafatkid
Alabama
Member since Dec 2011
50558 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:45 pm to
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I’m actually ok with this. Stop the pretense of pulling people over for truly a victimless crime just in hopes of catching a bigger one.


They'll just pull people over for driving suspiciously or speeding. This is virtue signaling, nothing more.
Posted by Oilfieldbiology
Member since Nov 2016
37547 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:47 pm to
Oh it’s absolutely virtue signaling but I don’t think it’s a bad idea for these bullshite revenue generating laws (ie taxes) are going away.
Posted by Tchefuncte Tiger
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Member since Oct 2004
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Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:47 pm to
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“So that an expired license plate or fuzzy dice in the mirror isn’t a death sentence that it can be in some cases,” said Councilmember Curtis Jones Jr., who is a co-sponsor of the Driving Equality Bill.


They need to worry about walking down the street in certain neighborhoods being a death sentence. How many blacks have been killed in Philadelphia this year by other blacks? How many blacks have been killed this year by police officers?

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They'll just pull people over for driving suspiciously or speeding. This is virtue signaling, nothing more.


The cops will tail them for a little while then stop them when they inevitably run a stop sign or red light.

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Jones said the city reviewed 2.8 million stops and found that Philadelphia police pull over a disproportionate number of black drivers for minor violations.

“People of color were found to be three times more likely to be stopped by police, and in particular ZIP codes, in areas, for traveling through non-minority areas,” Jones said.



This is just stupid. Maybe it's because the police patrol high-crime zip codes creating more interactions with black and "people of color" who, apparently, can't take care of their business. Besides, there are county sheriffs' deputies, township police officers, and state troopers who will gladly pull them over for these infractions once they're outside the city limits of Philadelphia.
This post was edited on 10/19/21 at 7:40 am
Posted by fightin tigers
Downtown Prairieville
Member since Mar 2008
73681 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:47 pm to
Meh, saves the cop getting shot by some a-hole over a tail light being out as well.

Which that type of shite seems to be happening more and more.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 10:48 pm
Posted by Slevin7
Member since Sep 2015
1973 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:50 pm to
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STOP BREAKING THE LAW ASSHOLES!


shite. Just break one law at a time. If you are drunk use your fricking blinker. You have a warrant? Maybe obey they speed limits. Oh there’s a hooker in your trunk? Make a complete stop at that stop sign.

Easy peezy
Posted by Onyx Aggie
Foothills of the Smokies
Member since Sep 2012
2395 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:54 pm to
Sometimes government accidentally does the right thing, but for the wrong reason. This is one of those times.

There are more productive things for cops to be doing rather than playing road pirates.
Posted by WaWaWeeWa
Member since Oct 2015
15714 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:56 pm to
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Oh it’s absolutely virtue signaling but I don’t think it’s a bad idea for these bull shite revenue generating laws (ie taxes) are going away.


It’s called proactive policing. It’s what cleaned up places like New York.

I don’t really give a shite if they do it because it will just spread up the demise of these shithole cities.
Posted by dnm3305
Member since Feb 2009
13590 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 10:56 pm to
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“So that an expired license plate or fuzzy dice in the mirror isn’t a death sentence that it can be in some cases,


Is it? How frequent if ever? So they are saying that occasionally people are getting shot and killed on routine traffic violations? Are these rare/nonexistent occurrences more frequent than cops getting killed for just being cops?
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37361 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:00 pm to
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Oh it’s absolutely virtue signaling but I don’t think it’s a bad idea for these bullshite revenue generating laws (ie taxes) are going away.


If you had any idea what cops on the streets across the country pull off people on a daily basis on stops for minor traffic violations,you’d quickly change your mind.
Posted by Breauxsif
Member since May 2012
22290 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:01 pm to
What a fricking clown world.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37361 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:02 pm to
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“So that an expired license plate or fuzzy dice in the mirror isn’t a death sentence that it can be in some cases,” said Councilmember Curtis Jones Jr., who is a co-sponsor of the Driving Equality Bill.




This is such an intentionally dishonest statement.
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
54389 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:09 pm to
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Meh, saves the cop getting shot by some a-hole over a tail light being out as well.

Yep. The average cop on patrol is something like 16 times more likely to be killed by the average black man than the average black man is to be killed by the average cop.

It has been a while since I saw those numbers, so it is probably higher.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 11:10 pm
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:20 pm to
The next step is for all police, DA, courthouse, and public defender revenue to come from dedicated property or sales taxes and not from any police activities, sales of seized assets, citations, or fines levied. Then, we can eliminate those pesky for-profit prisons.

Police departments getting a "cut" of ticket revenue inevitably leads to police forces prioritizing which laws to enforce based on budgetary concerns rather than public safety.
Posted by Jcorye1
Tom Brady = GoAT
Member since Dec 2007
71439 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:21 pm to
I'm fine with this. Most generic pull overs aren't for safety, they are for revenue.
Posted by kingbob
Sorrento, LA
Member since Nov 2010
67126 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:25 pm to
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Meh, saves the cop getting shot by some a-hole over a tail light being out as well.

Yep. The average cop on patrol is something like 16 times more likely to be killed by the average black man than the average black man is to be killed by the average cop.


Literally the most dangerous situation and the most commonly experienced situation for any officer is the traffic stop. It's also the encounter between officer and civilian that leads to the majority of civilian casualties. This is a positive move for safety of citizens and officers.

If the crime the driver is committing isn't bad enough to be worth taking them to jail (i.e. their driving isn't so dangerous that they need to be forcibly removed from the highway), there's no reason to pull them over with the technology we currently have. All it does is provide an opportunity for officers to tack on additional charges to extract revenue or put themselves and civilians in danger.
This post was edited on 10/18/21 at 11:26 pm
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37361 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:39 pm to
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Police departments getting a "cut" of ticket revenue inevitably leads to police forces prioritizing which laws to enforce based on budgetary concerns rather than public safety.



This may be true for small town agencies, but I can guarantee you BRPD, EBRSO, NOPD, etc. are not receiving any material income from traffic tickets.
Posted by TigersSEC2010
Warren, Michigan
Member since Jan 2010
37361 posts
Posted on 10/18/21 at 11:40 pm to
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If the crime the driver is committing isn't bad enough to be worth taking them to jail (i.e. their driving isn't so dangerous that they need to be forcibly removed from the highway), there's no reason to pull them over with the technology we currently have.


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