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re: Per CDC: 112k deaths in the US from the virus, total US population 328m
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:19 am to jimmy the leg
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:19 am to jimmy the leg
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If this data above is accurate, then it would be difficult for someone to argue that the lockdown isn’t either fear driven by the media, politically motivated, or both.
I think fear driven by the media is synonymous politically motivated
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Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:21 am to baldona
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Definitely an increase. But a huge percentage of that increase is elderly. I would bet money that the next 2-3 years our deaths are down on avg slightly to make up for it.
Right. All deaths are not equal. A flu that kills 60,000 people of all age groups in a year, with the average life cut by 30 years is nearly as bad as COVID, had we not isolated at all, which might kill 500,000 with an average loss of 8 years per death. The flu would cost us 1,800,000 man-years, and COVID would cost us 4 million man-years. In this hypothetical case COVID would be a little more than twice as bad.
But even this does not take into account the quality of those years. Many of us would trade two of our elderly years for one of our prime years.
BTW, it has been long enough that the increase in Texas and Florida cases should have registered a big increase in deaths. They have not. I’m starting to think we have this nearly whipped, except that a few places that locked down too soon still have to pay the piper.
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 9:25 am
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:25 am to TH03
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I know facts aren’t really this site’s thing, but can we start posting evidence to support shite like this?
It’s pretty common for people who tested positive to be tested again 2-3 weeks later. Most employers are requiring a negative test be provided before someone who tested positive can return to work.
The other part of his post was a question that deserves to be discussed. How is it being reported if the same person tests positive 2 or 3 times over an 8 week span?
What exactly is the problem?
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 9:28 am
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:28 am to RB10
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How is it being reported if the same person tests positive 2 or 3 times over an 8 week span?
Those are being reported as 2 or 3 positive cases.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:29 am to tgrbaitn08
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Those are being reported as 2 or 3 positive cases.
Well, that’s a problem.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:41 am to Penrod
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I was cautiously in favor of some shutdowns because we just did not know how bad it was
That's not entirely accurate.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 9:48 am to Korkstand
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Relatively few.
Says the hack that stated the CHAZ was simply an arts/ street festival.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:23 am to Korkstand
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Relatively few.
Early in the game I'd have agreed with you. Since we've seen the response of the government, the media, and the health community now for >3 months I'm not so sure.
It really wouldn't surprise me if it were in the 20-25% range.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 10:44 am to AUCE05
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WTF was NY doing?
Doesn't matter. Texas and Florida are KILLING people!
Cuomo is the BEST!
This post was edited on 7/2/20 at 10:45 am
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:49 am to SDVTiger
quote:No, I said it wasn't being run by a "warlord" and that they weren't trying to secede. That it wasn't what the media made it out to be. You always have to make up some shite to try to make me look bad.
Lol you also said that CHAZ or CHODE whatever it's called was a peaceful utopia according to your sources
quote:Yeah that's death for you.
About 99% of that 112k had other issues
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:49 am to BugAC
quote:I think the death figures are by far the most accurate numbers we have. The case counts are worthless.
The fact that any, at all, have been counted as COVID deaths means the numbers are pretty much worthless.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:54 am to GEAUXT
quote:I'm just cross checking with the weekly death counts due to all causes. The excess deaths for this time of year are pretty well in line with the covid death counts.
This is simply not true.
I have had 2 patients die from sepsis due to lower extremity wounds, and a 3rd that is in the ICU and probably will die as well.
All of these people are 80+ with diabetes, kidney failure, vascular disease, etc, and were placed on hospice.
None of them had any symptoms from their COVID infection.
So that is 3 patients, in one hospital. I can assure everyone my experience is not unique.
If a significant number of those deaths were not actually caused by covid, then we have a bigger problem on our hands and we need to find out why so many people have been dying of other things.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:56 am to Korkstand
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You always have to make up some shite to try to make me look bad.
You don’t need any help to look bad.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 11:57 am to Korkstand
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No, I said it wasn't being run by a "warlord" and that they weren't trying to secede. That it wasn't what the media made it out to be. You always have to make up some shite to try to make me look bad.
LIAR! You said your “friends” living in the area said it was all peach fuzz. No problems at all. Nothing to see here. Locals supported the movement. No businesses were being affected. Etc, etc, etc...
Then, the shootings started and you simply changed the narrative. And lied.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:00 pm to Korkstand
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But 112k is just not a whole lot of people. Half that many died in the utopian land of CHAZ CHOP in a week
FIFY
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:09 pm to Penrod
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Geez, the ijits are out in full force! No, man, Sweden still suffered the lion’s share of the economic damage that we have. They did tremendous social isolation in Sweden; it just wasn’t all mandated. Sweden has been in something like our phase 2 all along. But a lot of Swedes have treated it as a full lockdown.
people don't understand this... also OPs numbers are wrong, we are over 130k deaths right now
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:13 pm to Errerrerrwere
quote:I said it was like any other place where mass large protests were happening, except there were no cops. I said the criminals did not leave the area along with the cops. I said it was not like some third world country, and that for the most part it was just like the rest of the US. No warlords, no ID checks, no rampant extortion, etc.
LIAR! You said your “friends” living in the area said it was all peach fuzz. No problems at all. Nothing to see here. Locals supported the movement. No businesses were being affected. Etc, etc, etc...
I didn't say "no problems at all", that's stupid. It had problems like anywhere else.
quote:No, the "narrative" was the same as it always was. The police abandoned the neighborhood, the criminals didn't. The Seattle PD has a long history of corruption, and the people wanted it to change. Instead, they responded to protests with excessive force, proving the residents right. Then they abandoned the neighborhood to make a point, proving the residents right. Then they were deliberately slow to respond to calls, proving the residents right.
Then, the shootings started and you simply changed the narrative. And lied.
I haven't paid much attention for a couple weeks. Are the cops back in full force? When they returned, did they go back with their SOP of tear gas and rubber bullets, or did they change their tactics?
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:14 pm to Korkstand
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I think the death figures are by far the most accurate numbers we have. The case counts are worthless.
death count is easy....but when you make it more profitable for a hospital to check the box that says "covid", then that is why the numbers simply cannot be trusted. If there is no benefit either way, then and only then can you completely trust the numbers.
Posted on 7/2/20 at 12:20 pm to Errerrerrwere
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Then, the shootings started and you simply changed the narrative. And lied.
Shocking.
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