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re: Penn State knew Sandusky was a pedophile in 1971.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 10:14 pm to nvasil1
Posted on 5/9/16 at 10:14 pm to nvasil1
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Right...so who else was going to punish the football program for knowingly employing a child rapist because he was a great coach, recruiting great players and winning a lot of games?
It's not a football infraction, it's a criminal infraction. You let the judicial system run its course. See my earlier example about a homeowners association.
ETA: They didn't use pedofilia to recruit coaches and players, that assertion is ridiculous.
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 10:15 pm
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Posted on 5/9/16 at 10:21 pm to nvasil1
Agreed. This isn't a case of one or two bad apples. This was a problem with the athletic program and university as a whole. When there's a systemic problem with an organization then the whole organization needs to be punished.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 10:47 pm to anc
Christ Almighty if that is true...
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:11 pm to The First Cut
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It's not a football infraction, it's a criminal infraction
Then why wasn't Sandusky turned in? Oh yeah, he was a great coach that made his football team better. Child rape might not be a football infraction, but covering it up sure as hell is.
quote:
ETA: They didn't use pedofilia to recruit coaches and players, that assertion is ridiculous.
You can't seriously think I said that.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:27 pm to anc
I'm starting to think Sandusky had "something" on Paterno. Even minor indiscretions could leave someone with the reputation Paterno had open to blackmail.
Other weirdness: according to reports they weren't friends & really didn't have a professional relationship beyond required interaction. Sandusky rarely interviewed for head coaching jobs yet it was obvious Paterno wasn't going to let him be his successor. Some bizarre shite was going on at State College.
Other weirdness: according to reports they weren't friends & really didn't have a professional relationship beyond required interaction. Sandusky rarely interviewed for head coaching jobs yet it was obvious Paterno wasn't going to let him be his successor. Some bizarre shite was going on at State College.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:36 pm to jonboy
quote:Yep no one knew.
Sandusky is accused of taking “Victim 4” from the grand jury report to the 1999 Alamo Bowl. Now 27, that accuser testified he was listed as a member of the Sandusky family party for the game, which was Sandusky’s last with Penn State.
Posted on 5/9/16 at 11:40 pm to Finch
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This puts them barely behind Ole Miss and Bama at #3 in the list of dishonorable schools
If you think this, then it puts you as #1 as most deplorable poster on this site.
Edit: #2. Hard to beat GeauxJudge
This post was edited on 5/9/16 at 11:41 pm
Posted on 5/10/16 at 12:39 am to The First Cut
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It's the same argument that I gave the Vol. The NCAA's role is not to police criminal matters. The only reason the NCAA exists is to enforce the rules that no other governing body has jurisdiction over. If recruiting violations were against criminal law, we wouldn't need, nor have, the NCAA.
This isn't the professor of Sociology committing these heinous crimes. The football program was the avenue through which Sandusky got away with it. As such, the NCAA has a right to police the athletic program how it sees fit. Otherwise, there wouldn't have been any sanctions levied. Failing to report very severe crimes because one doesn't want to jeopardize a program is an unfair advantage.
Moreover, this is the most prominent example of the athletic program becoming larger than the university itself. There needed to be a message sent, plain and simple. Their beloved program needed to be wiped out. It's a shame it wasn't. And I know it affects players, but that's life. One could make very specific arrangements to secure a roster spot on a dime at a different program.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 6:17 am to nvasil1
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Then why wasn't Sandusky turned in? Oh yeah, he was a great coach that made his football team better. Child rape might not be a football infraction, but covering it up sure as hell is.
Criminal matter, to be handled by legal system.
Having a defensive coordinator is not a football advantage, every team has one. No NCAA rules were violated in hiring or retaining his services.
To give yet another example, the NCAA was unable to discipline Auburn because donating to a church wasn't an NCAA violation. The same applies here. The crime is horrible, but not under the scope of the NCAA.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:00 am to anc
I don't see how, as a father, a person in a position of authority could learn of these accusations and not "act" by going to law enforcement. The fact that the reputation/competitive desires of a football program took priority over what happened to these kids is disgusting.
There appears to be enough smoke around Joe Paterno to accept that there is fire (knowledge) on his part. You can never do enough (money, jail, etc.) to atone for these acts of omissions and the downstream consequences caused by his failure to act. Sandusky is a monster, but Paterno was the wolf in sheeps clothing.
There appears to be enough smoke around Joe Paterno to accept that there is fire (knowledge) on his part. You can never do enough (money, jail, etc.) to atone for these acts of omissions and the downstream consequences caused by his failure to act. Sandusky is a monster, but Paterno was the wolf in sheeps clothing.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:25 am to The First Cut
A school's or individual's action can be both a criminal violation and a violation of NCAA rules. Betting on games, for example. I think that this is clearly both a matter for the police and the NCAA
In Penn State's case the NCAA, based on the Freeh report which was unchallenged by the University, found several violations of NCAA rules in PSU's handling of Jerry Sandusky, including lack of institutional integrity and control over the athletics department and failure to create an atmosphere of compliance. Obviously there isn't a lot of precedent for the NCAA to punish under these circumstances because most universities aren't run by pieces of shite, but it's not a stretch to fit what PSU did under the language of the rules violated.
If anything the school got off easy. More people involved should be in jail, the football program should have gotten the death penalty, and the Department of Education should have looked into pulling federal funding. This is one of the worst scandals in NCAA and higher education in the US' history and they should've been made an example of.
In Penn State's case the NCAA, based on the Freeh report which was unchallenged by the University, found several violations of NCAA rules in PSU's handling of Jerry Sandusky, including lack of institutional integrity and control over the athletics department and failure to create an atmosphere of compliance. Obviously there isn't a lot of precedent for the NCAA to punish under these circumstances because most universities aren't run by pieces of shite, but it's not a stretch to fit what PSU did under the language of the rules violated.
If anything the school got off easy. More people involved should be in jail, the football program should have gotten the death penalty, and the Department of Education should have looked into pulling federal funding. This is one of the worst scandals in NCAA and higher education in the US' history and they should've been made an example of.
This post was edited on 5/10/16 at 7:28 am
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:33 am to VOLhalla
quote:No doubt about it.
If anything the school got off easy. More people involved should be in jail, the football program should have gotten the death penalty, and the Department of Education should have looked into pulling federal funding. This is one of the worst scandals in NCAA and higher education in the US' history and they should've been made an example of.
Posted on 5/10/16 at 7:41 am to anc
I still think Penn St's football program should have received the death penalty.
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