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re: Parents furious after Louisiana teacher misdiagnosed entire class with ADHD

Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:33 am to
Posted by stout
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:33 am to
I was diagnosed when I was 28 with ADD. Doc gave me Vyvanse and had I stayed on it I would have murdered someone. The shift in my mood was insane. I immediately stopped taking it and have not looked back. I function just fine without it and am pretty certain I was misdiagnosed or my case is very mild.

I will say that I have taken Modafinil, which is what the movie Limitless is based on and is a drug for narcolepsy. Tons of executives in finance and the tech industry apparently take it. It made things better for me than Adderall or Vyvanse ever could. Also, natural nootropics like L-Theanine and Ginseng do wonders for me too.

It's time to stop prescribing legal meth to kids and look at alternatives.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 1:27 pm
Posted by alphaandomega
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Member since Aug 2012
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:35 am to
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I'm pretty sure teachers are not supposed to diagnose kids with any form of ailment. A teacher can talk to parents and make suggestions to have them tested, but they can not give them tests.



My wife (no pics) is a teacher and cannot even give a student an aspirin. How in the hell does one get to diagnose kids?

Sounds like a lazy teacher who would rather medicate kids than teach them in a way that motivates them.
Posted by Tantal
Member since Sep 2012
19007 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 11:49 am to
She just wanted them all on Ritalin to make them quiet and calm while she nurses her box wine hangovers every morning.
Posted by High C
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:10 pm to
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Teachers need to stick to teaching subjects like Science, Mathematics, English, etc...


Agree, so stop sticking that Vanderbilt Assessment Scale in my mailbox for me to fill out.
Posted by PP7 for heisman
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Member since Feb 2011
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:10 pm to
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The diagnosis of attention deficit hyperactivity disorder is complex,” said LSU Health Shreveport’s Program Director of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry, Dr. Pamela McPherson. “And it should not be made solely based on a rating scale. “
. Uh, it really isn’t. It’s a survey filled out by parents, a pediatrician, and teachers. I’ve done a bunch of them as a teacher and went through the process with my son.

Then you didn't get a proper diagnosis lol.

In order to get a proper diagnosis, you need to get evaluated by a doctor or psychiatrist, and that consists of a lengthy and in depth evaluation.

Source: I was evaluated for ADHD when I was 14.

On top of that, it's not as simple as "give kid X 25 mg of focalin every day and he will be better." It took me about 2 years to finally find the right combo of medicine, mg, extended release v. instant release, etc. in order to have it treated properly. Then when I got to college I learned how to operate without taking it and haven't taken it since I was a sophomore in college, roughly 8 years ago.
This post was edited on 10/18/22 at 12:14 pm
Posted by jcaz
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Member since Aug 2014
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:18 pm to
If everybody has ADHD then nobody has ADHD
Posted by KAGTASTIC
Member since Feb 2022
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Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:25 pm to
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Doc gave me Vyvanse and had I stayed on it I would have murdered someone. The shift in my mood was insane.


Had a similar thing happen to me with that stuff back in college, when I polished off the ADD excuse as why I was just doing "ok" and went thru the process with the school dr. I started on it the week of a major test week, and got so stressed I almost jumped out of the window. Never would have been like that without that stuff. Went to the Dr the next morning first thing and he had to write a note to my teachers asking theme to postpone my exams until it was out of my system. Which 1 was really not happy about at all, but did it anyway. Though my make up test was definitely no where near the one given prior.

I've tried some of those you mentioned, but haven't found a good one yet. Not sure how you handle the below combo, but would be good to know. My problem is that everything I take tends to have a major drop once I stop or it fades at night, and I get really irritable. Why I've stopped looking for something that works. I've tried dopamine supplements, the "top" ones when i internets "best nootropic suplements" and a bunch of stuff I use for a few days once I notice the hard drop off. At I this point I just want something that helps with the procrastination part of it. Everything else is either controlled or explainable.

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L-Theanine and Ginseng
Posted by Joe_Dirte
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Member since Feb 2019
868 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:37 pm to
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So damn stupid. It happened to my older son. My ex-wife swore he had ADD and found a quack school counselor to write something up and she took it to the doc and got him on meds without me knowing. It took a year and me paying out the arse for a full evaluation to confirm what I already knew. It was a scam. There are true ADHD cases out there, for sure, but I'd venture to say 80% of the so called diagnoses are behavioral, not medical issues.


similar situation with my son in 1st grade. teacher was the one who swore he had ADD. Of course we were concerned as parents, but I wasn't going to put my 1st grader on adderall all willy nilly b/c some teacher and a school counselor says so (Dr was actually on board as well; don't see him any more). we did the year long full eval, and same conclusion. not a damn thing wrong with my kid other than a bit immature, but hell so am I...doesn't mean I need meds for it.
Posted by Seen
Member since Aug 2022
1127 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:38 pm to
My 20 y/o has ADHD and is on the spectrum. He got diagnosed around 11 or 12. His new pediatrician wanted him evaluated by a psychologist and after pretty extensive evaluations it came back he had both. He was not hyper at all, no behavioral problems. We were shocked but there were signs we didn't see or maybe chose to ignore.

I can say we've all seen the SouthPark meme about those ADHD kids and teacher coming in there curing them by a slap. Irl, about half the kids with ADHD don't even have behavioral problems as far as being bad kids. Mine has a photographic memory and is unbelievably brilliant in math and space. He can't dribble a basketball, play baseball, clean up his room correctly no matter how hard you teach him. He can clean his room I guess, but it's painful watching him do it. Never had many friends, and didn't know how to play with his brother or sister. He's an adult now and works, friendly, etc. There is a stigma regarding ADHD and spectrum due to even what I'm sure is being typed in this thread, trust me, outside of here I don't tell anyone that my son has it. We aren't proud of it, although we are proud of him.
Posted by Ebrow21
Lutcher, La.
Member since Apr 2015
61 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:40 pm to
A perspective I haven’t seen represented yet is:

Once the teacher “diagnoses”, legally the parent can request the school system provide accommodations for the student based on the said diagnosis.

Many times, districts are slow to diagnose/test, because it puts a larger financial burden on the district.

Which is possibly why the Teacher tried to do the “test” in the first place.
Posted by Baldy
Member since May 2020
441 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:44 pm to
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why are teachers diagnosing anything? this is worse than nurses diagnosing stuff.





$$$?
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:49 pm to
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Why are teachers diagnosing ADHD?


They know everything, that’s why they are teachers and stay in a classroom their whole lives.
Posted by Seen
Member since Aug 2022
1127 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 12:58 pm to
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Amazing how big ADHD/ADD has gotten. People have no issues giving their kids pills the rest of their lives.



I've read studies that when adults are getting tested the percentages that are positive with ADHD are no different than kids. There is also no correlation to video games, tv, etc. My son barely looked at screens growing up and has it, along with on the spectrum.
Posted by Rick9Plus
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Member since Jul 2020
2430 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:00 pm to
I get that a lot of parents today don’t parent in a way that causes kids to be respectful and hard-working. I also get that our modern lifestyle has too many decisions, too much information, and not enough exercise or meaningful activity. But - sending all the kids home with a paper in hopes of getting the kids back as medicated little zombies is not the answer. I think that what is diagnosed as “ADHD” is not a disease as much as a combination of personality traits, habits, training, and in some cases, actual learning disabilities. The pills make it easier to sit still and learn, but they don’t fix the problems.
Posted by SuperSaint
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Member since Sep 2007
148103 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:04 pm to
I once got suspended from school indefinitely with the stipulation that I wasn’t allowed back until I had an appointment with an ADHD doctor.

Doctor told the school I didn’t have ADHD, I was just an a-hole
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:05 pm to
Honestly I think it’s a money grab. There’s more kids than ever, increasing each year, that are on IEPs, which in turn gets more funding.

If a kid spends all day w teachers, how is it my fault? It’s not, public schools are too worried about other things than basic curriculum. Then I pick my kids up and only hear about drama. It’s ridiculous.
Posted by Rick9Plus
Baton Rouge
Member since Jul 2020
2430 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:08 pm to
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If a kid spends all day w teachers, how is it my fault?


Maybe it is, maybe it isn’t, but the truth is that not everyone is a scholar. Instead of trying to act as though we are preparing every kid for college, our society needs to be realistic in what is expected of kids.
Posted by Seen
Member since Aug 2022
1127 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:11 pm to
Would love for Scruffy to come in here and clear some of this up. Some posters seem to think a teacher is actually prescribing the medications, none of this can be done w/o a pediatrician's approval. I'd be interested to hear his thoughts on the ADHD process with children.
Posted by momentoftruth87
Your mom
Member since Oct 2013
86110 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:15 pm to
Lol you don’t think parents don’t listen then make the apt? Come on
Posted by lachellie
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Member since Aug 2012
1124 posts
Posted on 10/18/22 at 1:19 pm to
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Honestly I think it’s a money grab


Likely, and not just for school district and Big Pharma, but a lot of the parents happily go along because any disability diagnosis gets the child signed up on the SSI check train until they’re 21 or maybe even for life, provided they fall below the poverty line (or whatever number is set by government) and looking at demographics for this school, it’s likely many of the students would meet that criteria.

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