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re: Oxford Scientist: It would be "the worst news ever printed" if fossils/life found on mars
Posted on 1/1/19 at 9:50 am to Volvagia
Posted on 1/1/19 at 9:50 am to Volvagia
I subscribe to the thought process that any advanced civilizations out there are hardly “living” any longer. I mean look where we are now. And then try to contemplate where we will be in a thousand years from now. There would hardly be a requirement for a living host body at that point and artificial intelligence would be so advanced that some sort of non organic being will likely be in place of any living intelligent species at that point. And that’s where real rapid tech development would probably occur. Beyond our comprehension.
So while we’re listening for radio signals who knows what communication methods may be employed by these things.
So while we’re listening for radio signals who knows what communication methods may be employed by these things.
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Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:10 am to KosmoCramer
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That means most likely the filter hasn't occurred for earth yet.
In my estimation, we are at the Great Filter, which I define as a switch from biological intelligence (BI) to artificial intelligence (AI). BI has an evolutionary limit. We are at that limit. Only by creating our AI successors can we hope to spread intelligence into the Universe.
BI cannot traverse spacetime. It is simply too delicate to withstand the dangers posed by cosmic rays, differing gravity fields, and other life-ending hazards. When AI life becomes aware, it will very quickly become superintelligent and can design itself to go anywhere.
Why aren't we already seeing AI from other systems? Most probably because we are amongst the first to reach the Great Filter. As mentioned in a previous post, habitable planets for BI are just getting started. The vast majority of them are yet to be formed.
Because we are the first, we have an opportunity to shape the Universe to our definition of what life should be. That is a profound responsibility. We must give it the greatest consideration.
I should emphasize that we are only at the Great Filter. We have not yet crossed through it. In a way, we are battling amongst ourselves to see which definition of life will influence AI when it becomes self-aware.
Will it become a hostile, BI-smashing aggressor that stalks the Universe in search of conquests, or will it be a benign aid to any BI it encounters? The next few decades will answer this question. AI is nearly upon us.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:15 am to Kentucker
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Will it become a hostile, BI-smashing aggressor that stalks the Universe in search of conquests, or will it be a benign aid to any BI it encounters? The next few decades will answer this question. AI is nearly upon us.
I have little doubt it will be the former
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:18 am to Kentucker
It's also possible that artificial intelligence is the great filter, and we're all (AI and BI) about to get exterminated.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:26 am to KosmoCramer
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It's also possible that artificial intelligence is the great filter, and we're all (AI and BI) about to get exterminated.
Well, yeah, that's why we call it a filter. It's entirely possible that AI, having been created by humans, could be a self-destructive version of its malevolent parents.
Conversely, we know that there are also those humans who want a more placid approach to discovery. Let's hope they have more say in the design of thinking AI.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:27 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
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It would be "the worst news ever printed" if fossils/life found on mars
i've already seen the worst news ever printed and it wasn't about Mars...
i got about 40-50 more years here, so i really don't give a frick about the great filter, and whether we crossed it or not... i'm here today, and with a little luck, i'll be here tomorrow too...
Posted on 1/1/19 at 10:29 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
What an idiot. It would mean we have to capabilities to troubleshoot the worst problems, and stands a high probability we terriformed earth and seeded it with human DNA.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:02 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
Let me simplify this for all of you.
I would suggest that if you were to consume a dose of red windowpane, sit on a curb at night looking at church, that you could soon come to the conclusion that we are just very highly evolved animals spinning around on a unique globe filled with the right resources to produce who/what we are at this time.
Like really smart evolved chimps that got lucky and everything you see....well ...is it. It could be that simple.
Whether or not you want to believe how or why or if some type of that a "infinite creator" started this amazing evolutionary process is up to you.
I would suggest that if you were to consume a dose of red windowpane, sit on a curb at night looking at church, that you could soon come to the conclusion that we are just very highly evolved animals spinning around on a unique globe filled with the right resources to produce who/what we are at this time.
Like really smart evolved chimps that got lucky and everything you see....well ...is it. It could be that simple.
Whether or not you want to believe how or why or if some type of that a "infinite creator" started this amazing evolutionary process is up to you.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:19 am to HailHailtoMichigan!
This is just not smart. Filters have happened many times and there will be more. People completely miss the time scale of our universe.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:28 am to CoachChappy
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This. The great filter is just a theory. There is no reason to fear finding past life on Mars not does it have any bearing on the future of our species.
Its a theory to explain the Fermi Paradox: LINK TLDR: If there are likely a ton of earth like planets in the universe, why haven't we discovered any trace of life other than us. Where is everyone?
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The Fermi paradox, or Fermi's paradox, named after physicist Enrico Fermi, is the apparent contradiction between the lack of evidence and high probability estimates[1] for the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations.[2] The basic points of the argument, made by physicists Enrico Fermi (1901–1954) and Michael H. Hart (born 1932), are:
There are billions of stars in the galaxy that are similar to the Sun,[3][4] and many of these stars are billions of years older than the Solar system.[5][6]
With high probability, some of these stars have Earth-like planets,[7][8] and if the Earth is typical, some may have developed intelligent life.
Some of these civilizations may have developed interstellar travel, a step the Earth is investigating now.
Even at the slow pace of currently envisioned interstellar travel, the Milky Way galaxy could be completely traversed in a few million years.[9]
According to this line of reasoning, the Earth should have already been visited by extraterrestrial aliens. In an informal conversation, Fermi noted no convincing evidence of this, leading him to ask, "Where is everybody?"[10][11] There have been many attempts to explain the Fermi paradox,[12][13] primarily either suggesting that intelligent extraterrestrial life is extremely rare or proposing reasons that such civilizations have not contacted or visited Earth.
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:36 am to Gaston
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People completely miss the time scale of our universe.
I would suggest that people miss it on the other direction.
People look at the Universe being about 14 billion years old and think that's a long time and, in fairness, it is. But, like Volvagia's chart on the previous page showed, if the theories are correct that the Universe has 100 trillion years of star making "life" in it, the whole cosmos is still basically a newborn infant.
Why do we need a "Great Filter" to explain anything when enormous distances coupled with the relative youth of the Universe does just as good of a job?
Posted on 1/1/19 at 11:49 am to dawgsjlw
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Where do they get the one other odds defying species at?
If anything I think the 2nd scenario is true, where we as humans have not yet crossed that barrier of the great filter. While life is nice, we are not that advanced as a species. I think we as humans have much more evolving to do and I think that there is more intelligent life out there. If you think about it, we are just now getting started in technology. Imagine a civilization that has technology like us for thousands of years (obviously would end up being way more advanced). Imagine the rate we are going at and 1,000 years down the road, or 10,000 years, etc.
If we are the peak of intelligence, then damn, that is pretty sorrowing.
Everything about this take is subjective to the fact you take human intelligence for granted.
Think of just how advanced we are if you don't take life's existence for granted. Just because our technology is recent and improving doesn't mean it isn't universe class.
Not saying it definitely is universe-class either, but you sound to sure of yourself.
This post was edited on 1/1/19 at 11:50 am
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