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re: Outlook on mask wearing mandates in Catholic vs. non-Catholic private schools

Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:27 am to
Posted by CaptainZappin
Acadiana
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:27 am to
I would agree. People truly believe there is NO downside whatsoever and don't want to talk about. I get the most worked up about this for the kids. I know this isn't a normal way of life. Some people (parents at the school even) will say "Little Johnny is so adjusted now, he's doing fine."

They don't realize that Little Johnny shouldn't have to adjust to this and that there are real detriments. Fear and emotions are driving so very much about COVID. You give the facts to the scared people, they double down on emotion.
Posted by CaptainZappin
Acadiana
Member since Oct 2016
266 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:30 am to
The children have essentially been voiceless in this.

Reverse the situation:

"horrible virus" killing scores of children. You think the adult government officials shut anything down?

Nope.

This doesn't adversely affect the kids. Its less of an issue than is the flu. Anything surrounding school restrictions, at this point, is an orchestrated charade that is currently worsened by scared parents, histrionic teachers, biased political figures in the board of education.

Schools are very, very safe. We will NOT be dealing with issues with relaxed restrictions.
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:34 am to
Thank you! It seems there must be a happy medium between protection and isolation. It would help tremendously if parents with greater concerns about COVID, such as how exposure may impact grandparents they regularly see, could strategically place their children in self-contained classes with other like-minded parents. To me the issue with policies seems to be the great numbers of students in each local Catholic school that are all affected by that one school’s policy. It makes sense why some parents with the means to do so, have chosen homeschooling, learning pods, etc.
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:36 am to
Interesting! It would make for an informative news article to compare mask policies at local Catholic schools.
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:40 am to
I agree! I think all Catholic schools who are conducting re-registration and new registration right now should be very clear with their anticipated masking policies. Could indefinite day-long masking for all students pre-K through 12 be mandated? Might some children never attend school as a child, without a mask? I know parents have formed unofficial school sports teams, when the schools were not comfortable managing them. Good for both the parents and the schools! At what point though will parents who do not feel comfortable masking their children 40 plus hours per week, coordinate to change the situation, either by requesting self-contained classrooms where masks are optional, or by coordinating to remove their children from the schools and educate them at different sites?
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 12:00 pm
Posted by Weekend Warrior79
Member since Aug 2014
16640 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:42 am to
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Can anyone here offer more context as to who ultimately makes these policy decisions and along which timeline?

JBE sets the minimum for the State, it is believed he follows LDH, who claims to follow CDC. However, we have seen where he gets more extreme than both

The Parish President is then responsible for setting the minimum for the Parish as long as it is the same or exceeds the State's standards

Then the mayor for incorporated cities, as long as it meets or exceeds that of the parish.

Then the Archdiocese would be able to set the standards for the schools as long as it meets or exceeds the minimum standards of the City.

Enforcement is an entirely different game that is all over the place everywhere.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
58495 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:43 am to
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My reading of it here in South La is that the diocese places a high value of staying in the good graces of the government.


I agree. The schools I'm familiar with are following strict mask policy and probably will do so through the end of the school year, but they also have been steadfast in their approach to stick to in person schooling even when reported positives spiked within the student body.

I am fine with that considering all the idiots we are dealing with in the government. I just wish I could attend church without having to wear a mask after seated.
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:48 am to
Excellent explanation- thank you.
Posted by SixthAndBarone
Member since Jan 2019
8462 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:53 am to
Baton Rouge Catholic Schools are run by the diocese (except Catholic High).

The diocese is run by the bishop.

The diocese/bishop makes the rules that principals and priests need to follow.

If the diocese does not rule on something specific, then the principal or priest make the rules.

The priest is over the principal and the school unless stated otherwise.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 11:55 am
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29350 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 11:55 am to
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How is it that non-Catholic churches and non-Catholic private schools can determine for themselves that masks are not mandatory


First things first I'm not aware of a school open for in person learning within at least a 50-100 mile radius of me that doesn't have some form of mask requirement at least for upper grades.

quote:

who ultimately makes these policy decisions


From the individual Catholic school perspective the Diocese will make the final call. Now who is the Diocese beholden to....who know, but most likely will wear masks until the case count comes way down.

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Is it all about the threat of lawsuits?


That's one reason....there have been vocal threats from parents when they find out that a student in their kids class has COVID...and these are white, rich, well to do parents (obviously since they pay tuition)

quote:

It would seem the schools that want to retain or regain their students in the fall


shite....most Catholic schools in this area have seen enrollment shoot up over the last year. For 2021-2022 my daughter's schools enrollment went up nearly 15%.

They've had such a windfall of revenue this year that we haven't paid for lunch since Mar 2020 and I'd bet it continues through the end of the current school year(it amounts to about 30-40 bucks a month per child give or take).

ETA Others above mention LDH and CDC....I believe the Diocese policy over my daughter's school follows current LDH and CDC guidelines....so they say. I imagine if case count gets low and LDH/CDC still doesn't back off on the mask mandate (they won't) then the Diocese will revisit the policy.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 11:59 am
Posted by Loubacca
sittin on the dock of the bay
Member since Feb 2005
4031 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:03 pm to
Truthfully, I don't really care if a mask is effective or not. What I do care about, is that my kids are physically in school. My kids attend a Catholic school in BR and they do have fairly strict rules in place with the mask and distancing. I'm pretty sure they do this based on the current recommended guidelines. They probably don't necessarily agree with them, but their goal is to stay open. If adhering to the guidelines keeps the government off their back, then it's a win. My kids don't even complain about the mask because they want to be at school and hate learning virtually. It's not the schools goal to fight the government, but to remain open and have in class instruction. The infection rate at the school has been extremely low this year. Is it because of the mask, I'd say no. Most of the parents from the school are like me and only want their kids in school. Fighting the mandates is for all the TD renegades.
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:05 pm to
Thank you for the explanation.
Posted by jcaz
Laffy
Member since Aug 2014
15919 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:05 pm to
MIL works at a catholic school were masks were mandatory. Still caught Covid from a coworker.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29350 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:06 pm to
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The infection rate at the school has been extremely low this year. Is it because of the mask, I'd say no.


Same at my kid's school....and of course the low infection rate isn't because of the mask...it's because kid's don't spread or contract it as easily as adults and when they do get it are most of the time asymptomatic or mildly symptomatic.
Posted by PrettyBird
Aspen
Member since Feb 2010
10361 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:09 pm to
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They've had such a windfall of revenue this year that we haven't paid for lunch since Mar 2020 and I'd bet it continues through the end of the current school year(it amounts to about 30-40 bucks a month per child give or take).


That is not why you are not paying for lunch... USDA issued a waiver allowing the entire country to serve meals for free to every child in every school. The feds are covering the cost, not your schools general budget.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29350 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:11 pm to
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Still caught Covid from a coworker.


I'm always skeptical about people that say who they caught it from....how does she know she didn't catch it somewhere outside of school like an asymptomatic family member??? Or how about an asymptomatic student at the school.

You can't know who you contracted it from.
Posted by Pintail
Member since Nov 2011
10711 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:11 pm to
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Other than preventing spitting, sneezing, drooling, or gleeking on people ....MASKS....DONT....DO.....shite


I for one welcomed this prior to 2020.



Honestly, before 2020 were some people okay with others spitting, sneezing, or drooling on them? It's like some people all of a sudden said, well now it is disgusting for someone to talk a foot away from my face, breath on me, sneeze on me, spit on me, etc.
Posted by LSU316
Rice and Easy Baby!!!
Member since Nov 2007
29350 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:12 pm to
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USDA issued a waiver allowing the entire country to serve meals for free to every child in every school. The feds are covering the cost, not your schools general budget.


NM

ETA I stand corrected you are correct...it is shocking that the feds did this and are still doing it. I'm guessing with the Ds in office it will continue until this things ends whenever that will be.
This post was edited on 2/5/21 at 12:17 pm
Posted by LookAtTheData
Member since Feb 2020
86 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:16 pm to
I really appreciate your perspective. I also have heard from parents about frustration from other parents when other children/ parents at schools test positive for COVID. Again - there seems to be such a wide range of concern for the potential ability of spread and potential effects of COVID. It is unfortunate that parents cannot choose classrooms for their children based on masking and social distancing policies.
Posted by PrettyBird
Aspen
Member since Feb 2010
10361 posts
Posted on 2/5/21 at 12:17 pm to
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There ain't a fricking chance in hell that the federal government is sending money to a Catholic school to pay for those lunches....publics sure.


You seem well researched. The government is, and has been, subsidizing your schools meal program. Sure not EVERY catholic school in the state but the Diocese of Baton Rouge is 1000% on the National School Lunch Program, which is USDA funded. And right now, every child is eating for free, paid for by the feds.

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