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re: Ots opinion on charter schools and the educational system
Posted on 8/4/24 at 5:58 pm to mudshuvl05
Posted on 8/4/24 at 5:58 pm to mudshuvl05
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Plus, school choice doesn't mean, "send to charter school" in every state where it's allowed. It can (and quite often does) mean, "the public school the next county over that's performing far better." Proactive parents are going to be proactive, so give them the choice.
Proactive parents can move to the community where they want their kids to be instead of leaching off of said community.
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Posted on 8/4/24 at 6:35 pm to bobBoxer
Public schools/charter schools are for teachers kids and private schools are for athletes and whoever gives the most money. Somewhere in the midst of that you hope your kid can get an education. Just eat the shite you gotta eat and get your kids graduated.
Posted on 8/4/24 at 7:28 pm to HoustonGumbeauxGuy
I used to be a big fan of the concept, but in reality, the places they are needed the most just becomes a slush fund for local politicians to funnel money into the pockets of their associates.
Posted on 8/4/24 at 9:44 pm to mudshuvl05
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IF those charter schools are shitty, grifting, do-nothing places, then the market will react.
Maybe, but a lot of hard-earned taxpayer dollars get wasted in the meantime.
Keep in mind the market doesn't honestly care how an organization achieves profits. Some of these companies' entire business models are based on offering educational services as cheaply as possible so they can keep more taxpayer dollars in their pockets.
That was my primary issue with many (not all) for-profit universities. They stole taxpayer money (through federal financial aid intended for military and lower-income students) at levels that would make Tony Soprano jealous.
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 9:57 pm
Posted on 8/4/24 at 9:45 pm to JohnnyKilroy
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Well this is retarded
Continue your rebuttal
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 9:47 pm
Posted on 8/4/24 at 9:52 pm to bobBoxer
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Im going to be honest I really don't know the difference between a charter and a private school
I appreciate the honesty - it's refreshing to see. I'll make some sweeping distinctions, even though there can be some nuances between the two types of schools.
Basically, a charter school receives government money to operate independently. Some charter schools operate as "non-profit" organizations. Some operate as "for-profit" companies.
Charter schools are generally "chartered" and held accountable by the laws of individual states, so there's a lot of variance across the country. There's also the potential for considerable corruption. For instance, one aspect of charter schools that gets less attention are the "non-profit" schools which operate in buildings and property owned by a separate landlord. Through such an arrangement, the landlord (which might be a private actor with ties to the school) makes a profit from taxpayer money which is funneled through the school, even though the school is "non-profit."
Private schools are generally dependent on student tuition (and sometimes religious or educational endowments) to operate independently. Since they don't usually receive any government money (other than tax breaks), they're less controversial.
This post was edited on 8/4/24 at 9:58 pm
Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:17 pm to bobBoxer
Charter schools, like any school can be good or bad, but the basic premise of funneling tax payer money into corporate/private hands is an even sketchier step than it simply being run by the government.
Posted on 8/4/24 at 10:26 pm to bobBoxer
The Majority Report crowd are Marxist idiots. They love the idea of forcing kids into government schools because it gives them a captive audience
Posted on 8/4/24 at 11:47 pm to wm72
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the basic premise of funneling tax payer money into corporate/private hands is an even sketchier step than it simply being run by the government.
The opposite of truth; while corporate and private hands are perfectly capable of failing, they are actively incentivized not to-- because bad educational delivery means a lost customer.
State operated public schools, though, have the same customer service as the DMV, with the added layer of public sector unions, *and* left wing social engineering projects.
That's far sketchier than someone who has to persuade me to get my funding.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:17 am to BayouBengal23
I also teach at a charter school and we are consistently a 'B' school in a district of 'F' schools. We are a public charter, so we can not discriminate when accepting students - if there is a space in the grade, we accept them. We promote moral focus values daily and discipline problems are handled swiftly. I am very happy here (this is my 8th year) and make 5 to 10 thousand more than the surrounding districts, including Livingston, Ascension, West Fel, Zachary, etc.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 7:23 am to bobBoxer
Once something becomes popular, the government will find a way to come in and "F" it all up.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:15 am to bobBoxer
Send your kids to private school
Posted on 8/5/24 at 8:52 am to bobBoxer
During the Cold War, you could look at a country's official name and the more words like "people's" or "democratic" or "republic" it had in it, the more brutal and repressive the government was.
Similarly, you can look at the name of a present day public school, and the more words like "scholars," "technology," and "achievement" you see, the higher the likelihood of it ending up on Worldstar.
I went to ordinary ghettoish public schools most of my life (William Pitcher, Folsom Elementary, etc.) and they were fine. We didn't have the USNWR computer playoff rankings of elementary schools back then (thank God), but I'd imagine these are 3 or 4/10 schools today.
My kid's school is about like that and it's fine, though once puberty starts setting in and the curriculum gets more difficult I may reconsider.
Similarly, you can look at the name of a present day public school, and the more words like "scholars," "technology," and "achievement" you see, the higher the likelihood of it ending up on Worldstar.
I went to ordinary ghettoish public schools most of my life (William Pitcher, Folsom Elementary, etc.) and they were fine. We didn't have the USNWR computer playoff rankings of elementary schools back then (thank God), but I'd imagine these are 3 or 4/10 schools today.
My kid's school is about like that and it's fine, though once puberty starts setting in and the curriculum gets more difficult I may reconsider.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:26 am to MikeyFL
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Charter schools are generally "chartered" and held accountable by the laws of individual states, so there's a lot of variance across the country. There's also the potential for considerable corruption. For instance, one aspect of charter schools that gets less attention are the "non-profit" schools which operate in buildings and property owned by a separate landlord. Through such an arrangement, the landlord (which might be a private actor with ties to the school) makes a profit from taxpayer money which is funneled through the school, even though the school is "non-profit."
I have noticed that most of the charter schools i have seen popping up are in commercial plazas and smaller commercial buildings
quote:most of the private schools i see look like small college campuses, thanks for explaining the difference
Private schools are generally dependent on student tuition (and sometimes religious or educational endowments) to operate independently. Since they don't usually receive any government money (other than tax breaks), they're less controversial.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 9:40 am to DesScorp
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The Majority Report crowd are Marxist idiots. They love the idea of forcing kids into government schools because it gives them a captive audience
I don't like the idea of public school only parents should have as many options as possible to educate their kids
Posted on 8/5/24 at 10:37 am to bobBoxer
The nerds on Reddit don’t like charter schools, so I’d assume that they’re doing something right.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:05 am to Krane
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Continue your rebuttal
Rebuttal:
In 99% of America charter schools look nothing like this at all. They have other faults (and advantages), but that's are pretty broad brush characterization that probably won't make sense to most people who've ever run across them.
It may be accurate as to BR and useful to OP's use case, of course.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:08 am to BoardReader
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That's far sketchier than someone who has to persuade me to get my funding.
I think you're both right. Public money controlled by the public at the local level and not beholden to national orgs and political movements and unions is probably the ideal, but not the reality.
Public money flowing to individuals and corporate interests is a near-term advantage to the above in many cases, but pretty quickly becomes rife with abuse and beholden to other interests (and in the US, there is a lot of convergence between corporate and governmental interests anyway).
Posted on 8/5/24 at 11:24 am to bobBoxer
I think its funny that Massachusetts and Florida are consistently the two highest rated education systems in the country and the way they operate couldn't be any different 
Sometimes I think choosing a path and going that direction full stop is better than trying to skirt some line that constantly moves and everyone debates over.
Sometimes I think choosing a path and going that direction full stop is better than trying to skirt some line that constantly moves and everyone debates over.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:13 pm to VolSquatch
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I think its funny that Massachusetts and Florida are consistently the two highest rated education systems in the country and the way they operate couldn't be any different
Whats the difference between them? Im genuinely curious
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