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re: Ots opinion on charter schools and the educational system
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:20 pm to bobBoxer
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:20 pm to bobBoxer
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Whats the difference between them? Im genuinely curious
Florida is very much in the school choice camp. Almost every family in Florida that chooses to put their kids in private school gets like $7600 ( I think per child) to go towards private school tuition now. The logic is that it costs the state/school systems like $10k per kid to educate them (just a guess, its probably around that though) so if they offer this tuition assistance it actually saves the government money. I know in Duval county some public school systems are closing schools because so many families are choosing this option and there just aren't enough students attending to justify having that school open, so those kids have to go to a different one.
Massachusetts is the other end. They invest HEAVILY in their public school system and I think they pay teachers really well too but not 100% on that. But they are more strict on districting and don't really help private institutions out much at all.
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Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:39 pm to VolSquatch
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I think its funny that Massachusetts and Florida are consistently the two highest rated education systems in the country.
I think using statewide metrics in general is a poor strategy. Schools are best handled by local communities that have a stake in their future. I care about my neighbors a hell of a lot more than I care about Texas government. Accountability means poor performers need to feel their pain when making stupid decisions and reap the rewards when they put in the effort. Giving control to bigger governments just drags down the achievers and puts money where it is least productive.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:57 pm to VolSquatch
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Florida is very much in the school choice camp. Almost every family in Florida that chooses to put their kids in private school gets like $7600 ( I think per child) to go towards private school tuition now. The logic is that it costs the state/school systems like $10k per kid to educate them (just a guess, its probably around that though) so if they offer this tuition assistance it actually saves the government money. I know in Duval county some public school systems are closing schools because so many families are choosing this option and there just aren't enough students attending to justify having that school open, so those kids have to go to a different one.
Massachusetts is the other end. They invest HEAVILY in their public school system and I think they pay teachers really well too but not 100% on that. But they are more strict on districting and don't really help private institutions out much at all.
I can see the benefits of going all out in either directions, i do feel a lot of education is what parents are teaching at the house
Posted on 8/5/24 at 12:59 pm to bobBoxer
Charter schools can be nice. They have the opportunity to specialize in certain areas and aren't beholden to the lunacy that the entire school system is. Classes can be smaller, and the quality of teaching can be better.
It's impossible to know how it is where you are, but we sent 2 of our kids to a charter school and they were working on engineering projects and things they never would have even heard about at their zoned school.
The thing that pisses me off the most is that white kids get fricked in the application process. They give "underserved" groups or whatever they call them now 7x the number of entries into the lottery as white kids. In other words, you end up with a disproportionate amount of minorities in charter schools because the lottery-rigging doesn't match the population.
It's impossible to know how it is where you are, but we sent 2 of our kids to a charter school and they were working on engineering projects and things they never would have even heard about at their zoned school.
The thing that pisses me off the most is that white kids get fricked in the application process. They give "underserved" groups or whatever they call them now 7x the number of entries into the lottery as white kids. In other words, you end up with a disproportionate amount of minorities in charter schools because the lottery-rigging doesn't match the population.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:00 pm to Dallaswho
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Schools are best handled by local communities that have a stake in their future.
Sure, but in my experience most people are just out for themselves and don't give AF about their local community.
I lived in a district in another state where 3 schools had to share a lunchroom at one school, so you had elementary students crossing a busy street at like 9:30am for lunch because if the school didn't start lunch that early all students didn't get to eat. Not some elite community or anything by any means but a very nice, desirable one with expensive houses near a large metro area. School system was obviously poorly funded but ranked pretty high in educational metrics. Residents consistently voted down any increases to school funding even when you had clear visible evidence that the district needed it and it wasn't just some cash grab to expand the bleachers for the football stadium or something.
Posted on 8/5/24 at 1:15 pm to Dallaswho
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Schools are best handled by local communities that have a stake in their future. I care about my neighbors a hell of a lot more than I care about Texas government.
I do agree public schools should be funded mostly at the local level, but parents should have some choices in how their kid is educated
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Accountability means poor performers need to feel their pain when making stupid decisions and reap the rewards when they put in the effort.
Maybe and administrators should get report cards like they give the kids, that parents could see
Posted on 8/5/24 at 2:07 pm to VolSquatch
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Sure, but in my experience most people are just out for themselves and don't give AF about their local community.
If they cared about themselves, you would think that would include their property values.
This post was edited on 8/6/24 at 12:20 am
Posted on 8/5/24 at 2:10 pm to Dallaswho
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I think using statewide metrics in general is a poor strategy. Schools are best handled by local communities that have a stake in their future.
I care about my neighbors a hell of a lot more than I care about Texas government.
I love this. Great thought and +1
Posted on 8/6/24 at 4:59 pm to Sao
I found this interesting: Parents that are suing the Orleans Parish School Board over the posting of the 10 commandments in the classroom,
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That state’s motion to dismiss was filed later Monday in federal court.
One of the arguments involves a claim that parents whose children attend charter schools in Orleans Parish School lacked standing to sue Orleans Parish School Board, because it claimed charter schools are independent from the board.
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