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re: OT Workout crew: What am I doing wrong?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:04 pm to lsu777
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:04 pm to lsu777
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While I do believe in taking a probiotic the rest of that is fu fu magic bullshite. Granted I didn't read a ton of it.
If you take the time to read up on recent findings surrounding the human microbiome you would find that there really is something to it. There is still much that we don't understand. However, it is believed that we will be able to treat many diseases without antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals, and by manipulating the community structure of the bacteria in our body. A very elegant, all be it slightly gross, example is fecal transplants to treat C. diff infections.
Other research shows that obese people and healthy weight people have very different intestinal compositions. Bariatric surgery has been shown to provide a succession event that allows a recomposition of the gut microbial structure to that of a healthy individual. Perhaps this is because of the altered diet that results from the surgery, but imagine if you could do something lest drastic and simply change what bacteria are in the obese person's gut to help them lose weight. Our current understanding of how to do this is limited, but I think things like probiotics are on the right track.
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Weight loss is simple. Don't over complicate it.
For some you are absolutely correct. However, we all have differences in self-control, determination, and physiology. While the tried and true method of some form of diet and exercise is easy enough to preach, it can be difficult for some to practice.
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and mouton I was talking about all the idiots spewing bro science bullshite in this thread. talking about cardio is the only way, 40 min of liss cardio burns more calories then lifting, 40 min of liss cardio burns more calories than 20 min of HiiT.
We've all had things that work for us. Are there studies and examples that show how one method may be more efficient? Sure, but some plans are easier to follow, and people get more enjoyment and motivation out of different activities as well.
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:06 pm to lsu777
Dunno why almost every poster on the OT tries to make this shite so complicated. its pretty simple
1) follow iifym
2) combine with some form of IF so you don't have to eat bird meals
3)lift heavy shite and put it down 3 or 4 times a week including squats and deads. preferably using greyskull or 5/3/1
4) when in the fasted state move around a lot
5) perform 10 min of HiiT after each lifting session (3-4) times a week. Tabata works great here.
not that complicated. If you wanna bulk add more calories during eating period and reduce the HiiT.
QUIT MAKING THIS shite HARD.
and don't forget the Nuttella damn it.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:14 pm to Artie Rome
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Well I can agree that substantial muscle loss reduces your BMR. But to say eating 1800 kcals a day slows down your metabolism is a comopletely different thing, bro.
I was not giving specifics, my point was eating too few cals can slow down your metabolism, among other things
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:15 pm to thibtigerfan
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I was not giving specifics, my point was eating too few cals can slow down your metabolism, among other things
Yes, eating less food and losing weight causes a decrease in your metabolism
That isn't necessarily a bad thing...
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 4:17 pm
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:15 pm to Bmath
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If you take the time to read up on recent findings surrounding the human microbiome you would find that there really is something to it. There is still much that we don't understand. However, it is believed that we will be able to treat many diseases without antibiotics and other pharmaceuticals, and by manipulating the community structure of the bacteria in our body. A very elegant, all be it slightly gross, example is fecal transplants to treat C. diff infections.
Other research shows that obese people and healthy weight people have very different intestinal compositions. Bariatric surgery has been shown to provide a succession event that allows a recomposition of the gut microbial structure to that of a healthy individual. Perhaps this is because of the altered diet that results from the surgery, but imagine if you could do something lest drastic and simply change what bacteria are in the obese person's gut to help them lose weight. Our current understanding of how to do this is limited, but I think things like probiotics are on the right track.
agree with you but as far as it really helping to lose weight....well thats bs.
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For some you are absolutely correct. However, we all have differences in self-control, determination, and physiology. While the tried and true method of some form of diet and exercise is easy enough to preach, it can be difficult for some to practice.
no i am 100% correct. Somebody failing to practice it does not mean I am wrong. I often times fail on the diet side and I pay for it through fat gain. Still the concepts are sound. its simple thermodynamics. Only way to even come close to making it not simple thermo is with a very low carb diet and inducing ketosis but it still has its limitation.
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We've all had things that work for us. Are there studies and examples that show how one method may be more efficient? Sure, but some plans are easier to follow, and people get more enjoyment and motivation out of different activities as well.
Not gonna going linking the studies, just google studies on tabata. better yet, go google a picture of an olympic sprinter and then a olympic marathon runner and tell me which one you would rather look like.
and I said if one get joy out of doing long distance running then go ahead. just realize your body comp will prolly suffer for it.
personally the only way i am running more than a few hundred yards is if I am being chased by a damn dog. and personally every single person I know that runs long distance is a skinny fat pussy. so in general people who run/bike long distance=pussy.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:16 pm to TigerBait1127
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Your metabolism will obviously decrease if you're eating less food and losing weight...
This was my point, its not about just starving yourself or eating less. Eating to little is bad as well, you want to be in a deficit but at a reasonable amount.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:19 pm to Artie Rome
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No you didn't. I never said that you angry dufus.
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All of those articles are talking about the bullshite that is referred to as the "fat burn" heart rate zone. Of course some cow trudging on an elliptical at 90 BPM isn't going to burn much. But 60-75 minutes at 140-150 BPM is going to burn more energy than 20 minutes of HIIT.
This is what I said.
god you are a douche. read the bolded underlined portion. now read it again. you are fricking wrong. go do some research and stfu please. you don't even lift. Enjoy being a skinny fat douche.
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And get out of here with your EPOC bullshite unless you are going to actually apply it to what I actually said.
do you even understand what EPOC is? SPrinting and heavy lifting induces epoc. LISS cardio does not.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:25 pm to lsu777
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no i am 100% correct.
You should spend more time on Pubmed.
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Not gonna going linking the studies, just google studies on tabata. better yet, go google a picture of an olympic sprinter and then a olympic marathon runner and tell me which one you would rather look like.
and I said if one get joy out of doing long distance running then go ahead. just realize your body comp will prolly suffer for it.
personally the only way i am running more than a few hundred yards is if I am being chased by a damn dog. and personally every single person I know that runs long distance is a skinny fat pussy. so in general people who run/bike long distance=pussy.
Which is why I provided the caveat that people enjoy different forms of exercise, regardless of one being more efficient.
All exercise is monotonous to a degree, but some people find long distance training relaxing as they can just let their mind wander. Not everyone has the want to push themselves doing burpees until they puke.
I look at exercise as part of my overall work/life balance. While I don't want a "dad bod" I also don't have any desire to look like a world-class sprinter. Certain workouts that I see people pushing seem absolutely ridiculous for the average joe trying to stay in shape. It's one thing to have a boot camp type work out if you really need to have a life altering change, but it can be hard to maintain that kind of pace over the long term.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:26 pm to thibtigerfan
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This was my point, its not about just starving yourself or eating less. Eating to little is bad as well, you want to be in a deficit but at a reasonable amount.
Except that there are plenty of studies that show that isn't necessarily true
The one I linked showed muscle mass gain on a high protein diet with a 40% deficit.
From a thermodynamics impact, eating more food and holding more weight will have to have an increase in metabolism. That doesn't mean it is a net positive
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:32 pm to Bmath
Yep nothing wrong with simply living a healthy balanced lifestyle. Not everyone is out to look like some body builder or strong man. Its actually extremely impractical for 98% of people IMO. Everyone should do resistance training but there's nothing wrong with cardio in addition to that if that's what someone enjoys.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:36 pm to thesoccerfanjax
trying carb cycling out for myself right now
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:39 pm to thesoccerfanjax
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Everyone should do resistance training but there's nothing wrong with cardio in addition to that if that's what someone enjoys
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:46 pm to lsu777
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Dunno why almost every poster on the OT tries to make this shite so complicated. its pretty simple
1) follow iifym
2) combine with some form of IF so you don't have to eat bird meals
3)lift heavy shite and put it down 3 or 4 times a week including squats and deads. preferably using greyskull or 5/3/1
4) when in the fasted state move around a lot
5) perform 10 min of HiiT after each lifting session (3-4) times a week. Tabata works great here. not that complicated.
If you wanna bulk add more calories during eating period and reduce the HiiT.
QUIT MAKING THIS shite HARD.
and don't forget the Nuttella damn it.
It's ironic that your post is literally the most confusing one in this entire thread. iifym, IF, greyskull, 5/3/1, fasted state, Tabata, this is gibberish to any novice weightlifter
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:46 pm to oleyeller
Carb cycling?
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:50 pm to xxKylexx
What carb cycling does is confuse your Metabolism, so when it's confused, it speeds up. It's basically playing with your daily carb intake. Having a high carb day, then a low, then a medium, etc etc.
so far so good. i have personally seen excellent results from it.
so far so good. i have personally seen excellent results from it.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:51 pm to TheIndulger
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ironic that your post is literally the most confusing one in this entire thread. iifym, IF, greyskull, 5/3/1, fasted state, Tabata, this is gibberish to any novice weightlifter
But all pretty simple concepts/routines to follow
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:54 pm to oleyeller
Can you explain a bit more how you do it? I'm intrigued. Also did 20 mins of HIIT after hitting the weights.
Also, fact or myth: You need protein 45 mins after a workout
Also, fact or myth: You need protein 45 mins after a workout
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:55 pm to oleyeller
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What carb cycling does is confuse your Metabolism, so when it's confused, it speeds up.
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:57 pm to xxKylexx
Obligatory
Posted on 2/3/16 at 4:57 pm to lsu777
Sorry Brosephus, but cardio at the rates I stated burns more calories than 20 minutes of HIIT or extremely heavy lifting even when EPOC is factored in. It's not really debatable.
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